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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.software.firefox |
| Subject | Re: Browse at the speed of thought |
| Date | 2025-08-17 03:42 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <107s162$25oi1$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 3 groups.
On Sat, 8/16/2025 8:58 PM, AI User Here wrote:
> On 16/08/2025 16:02, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In the computing or wider reference case, I fear - as some others in
>> this discussion are fearing - that_reliance_ on AI could become
>> dangerous. But I definitely see the temptation!
>
> People will always claim that something is dangerous for one or more
> reasons:
>
> It is new; They haven't tried it themselves, but are just repeating what
> they have heard from someone else who also hasn't tried it and has only
> read one-sided information in a newspaper. They just want to discourage
> others from using it.
>
> Do you remember what people were saying about calculators and adding
> machines? Now, calculators are part of the school curriculum and adding
> machines have been replaced by spreadsheet packages.
>
> When the Coronavirus vaccine became compulsory, people started blaming
> Bill Gates. This is because he invested billions in producing these
> vaccines. He has said many times that he wants to give away his wealth
> in his lifetime. Everyone knows he doesn't work any more. All he does is
> spend his money, give talks and donate to charities.
>
Most computing devices, have deterministic behavior.
we can agree, in advance, what will show up on the screen.
If I enter "<PowerOn> 2 * 3 =" on an algebraic entry device,
we can all agree on the result. We can use science to describe
how an integer multiply is implemented in hardware. Many of the
devices doing this sort of thing, use BCD arithmetic. The hardware
may consist of a 4 bit processor and digit by digit processing
at low clock frequency.
*******
Tell me what you think of this.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/pXF1x4VK/AI-answer.gif
It's understandable, why the first two lines extracted below, exist. The
training set ends early. OK. I can buy that. But it is the third line that destroys
the credibility of LLMs. It has synthesized a statement for which it
actually has no information to reach that conclusion. The training
set does not go to "August 10, 2025", and it pulled that statement
out of its cold metallic ass.
45. Donald Trump (2017-2021)
46. Joe Biden (2021-present) <=== training set issue
As of August 10, 2025, Joe Biden is the incumbent president. <=== inexcusable addendum
10.04 tok/sec . 841 tokens . 2.19s to first token . Stop reason: EOS Token Found
It stops thinking after 2 seconds. With my slow hardware, it takes
84 seconds to print out the list. So those lines are coming out at the
86 second or so mark.
In the newsgroup, when one of the participants asked the same question,
and asked for the list to be sorted in a peculiar way (a clerical task
any human you hired could do), it kept forgetting one of the Presidents names.
We tried adding directives, and it did not help the quality of the answer.
Finally, when I tested using "And don't forget any of the Presidents!"
in frustration, it was that statement which caused the emission of a correct list.
(The missing president was put back.) That wasn't even a training set issue.
I have not the foggiest theory, as to why one of the entries would keep
disappearing. It's not like classical programming errors.
The error locus is untraceable. It could not have produced the (finally correct) list,
unless that dude existed in the training set.
If you are required to "know the answer in advance, to get a good
quality answer", what kind of fucking foolishness is this ????
Paul
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Browse at the speed of thought Jai Hind <jai.hind@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 00:54 +0000
Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-08-13 21:46 -0400
Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-13 20:21 -0700
Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-14 12:53 +0200
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-14 21:48 +1000
Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 15:09 -0700
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-08-14 15:25 -0700
Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 19:43 -0700
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-15 21:53 +1000
Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 23:22 -0700
Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-16 16:02 +0100
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-16 18:44 -0400
mostly OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave (was: Re: Browse at the speed of thought) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 14:41 +0100
Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 12:42 -0500
Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 18:50 +0100
Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 13:23 -0500
Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 19:44 +0100
Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 14:53 -0500
Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-08-18 16:50 +0000
Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-18 13:37 -0500
Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 16:23 -0400
Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-18 07:01 +0100
Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-18 09:08 -0500
Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-11-24 18:09 -0800
Re: Totally OT (includes passing reference to AI): long wave "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:18 +0100
Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 17:24 -0700
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 08:55 +0100
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 06:48 -0400
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-17 12:00 +0100
Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:16 +0100
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-17 22:11 +1000
Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:07 +0100
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 21:12 +1000
Re: Browse at the speed of thought AI User Here <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-08-17 00:58 +0000
Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2025-08-16 21:07 -0700
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-17 22:23 +1000
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-17 22:57 +1000
Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:49 +0100
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 21:30 +1000
Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 12:54 +0100
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 23:00 +1000
Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-17 15:37 +0100
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 21:41 +1000
Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:02 +0100
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:04 +0100
Re: Browse at the speed of thought "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 13:22 +0100
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-18 23:10 +1000
OT: driving licences (was: Re: Browse at the speed of thought) "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-18 14:34 +0100
Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@somewhere.someplaceelse> - 2025-08-19 00:38 +1000
Re: OT: driving licences Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2025-08-18 16:55 +0100
Re: OT: driving licences The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-10-06 11:58 -0700
Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-07 22:10 +1100
Re: OT: driving licences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-07 14:36 +0200
Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 00:00 +1100
Re: OT: driving licences Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-07 16:15 +0000
Re: OT: driving licences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-08 11:14 +0200
Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-08 22:16 +1100
Re: OT: driving licences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 08:36 +0100
Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-25 21:56 +1100
Re: OT: driving licences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 12:41 +0100
Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-25 23:04 +1100
Re: OT: driving licences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 18:58 +0100
Re: OT: driving licences "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-11-25 13:49 +0000
Re: OT: driving licences Tim Slattery <TimSlattery@utexas.edu> - 2025-11-25 10:47 -0500
Re: OT: driving licences "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-11-25 17:40 +0000
Re: OT: driving licences Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.com> - 2025-11-25 13:03 +0000
Re: OT: driving licences Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-25 08:22 -0500
Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-26 20:51 +1100
Re: OT: driving licences Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-26 06:35 -0500
Re: OT: driving licences Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-11-26 23:14 +1100
Re: OT: driving licences Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-26 13:37 -0500
Re: OT: driving licences Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2025-10-08 17:03 +0100
Re: OT: driving licences Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-08 17:07 +0000
Re: OT: driving licences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-25 08:42 +0100
Re: OT: driving licences The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-10-06 12:03 -0700
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 03:42 -0400
Re: Browse at the speed of thought sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-17 12:28 -0500
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-17 16:54 -0400
Re: Browse at the speed of thought sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-20 19:32 -0500
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-21 03:06 -0400
Re: Browse at the speed of thought The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-11-24 17:12 -0800
Re: Browse at the speed of thought sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-08-13 22:48 -0500
Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-14 23:26 +0800
Re: Browse at the speed of thought Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-14 18:53 -0400
Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-15 20:31 +0800
Re: Browse at the speed of thought "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-08-17 01:03 +0800
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