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Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant

From joes <noreply@example.org>
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Subject Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant
Date 2024-07-04 13:36 +0000
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Am Thu, 04 Jul 2024 07:48:08 -0500 schrieb olcott:
> On 7/4/2024 5:20 AM, joes wrote:
>> Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 10:51:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 7/3/2024 10:40 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>> Op 03.jul.2024 om 16:29 schreef olcott:
>>>>> On 7/3/2024 9:16 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>> Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 08:27:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>> On 7/3/2024 6:44 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 11:43 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 10:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 11:07 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 9:35 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 10:03 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 8:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 9:32 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 8:25 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 9:18 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> And the only CORRECT EMULATION of that program is to
>>>>>>>>>> infiniately loop in the emulation.
>>>>>>>>> Not for a freaking termination analyzer nitwit.
>>>>>>>> Why do they get to lie?
>>>>>> Open question.
Why can a termination analyser emulate an infinite loop as a finite one?

>>>>>>>>>> Nothing says that you can't make a halt decider work with
>>>>>>>>>> partial emulation for SOME inputs. But the halt Decider just
>>>>>>>>>> isn't itself a fully correct emulator.
>>>>>>>> BEHAVIOR needs the FULL description of what happens.
>>>>>>> As soon as HHH has seen a repeating state it has seen enough.
>>>>>> If the state is actually the same. But the simulated HHH sets a
>>>>>> flag or something to keep track if it is itself simulating a
>>>>>> repetition. <- Which it therefore isn’t.
How does HHH track it?

>>>>> *This is the repeating state*
>>>> But not an *infinitely* repeating state.
>>> The criteria that I spent two years writing and the best selling
>>> author of theory of computation textbooks agrees with says nothing
>>> about *infinitely* repeating state.
>> If the state doesn’t repeat infinitely often, it is not the same state
>> and does halt.
„State” does not mean calling the same function again. It means the same
stack, registers and memory, or for TMs, same tape and internal status.
If that reappears, there can be no deviation, because those completely
determine program flow.
H does not call D, it only simulates part of it, until before the
recursive call to H aborts. 

> It took me two years to come up with these words please make sure that
> you totally understand each one of them.
I do. It is not very difficult. The point is that H doesn’t simulate D
correctly: D halts, because it only calls H, which halts by definition.

-- 
Am Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:52:17 -0500 schrieb olcott:
Objectively I am a genius.

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Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 20:25 -0500
  Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-01 21:51 -0400
    Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 21:09 -0500
      Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-01 22:35 -0400
        Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 21:52 -0500
          Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-01 23:09 -0400
            Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 22:31 -0500
              Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-02 07:30 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 07:26 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-02 18:44 -0400
  Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-02 09:23 +0300
    Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 07:20 -0500
      Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-03 10:27 +0300
        Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 08:11 -0500
          Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-04 09:09 +0300
  Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-02 10:22 +0200
    Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 07:22 -0500
      Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-02 20:42 +0200
        Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 14:00 -0500
          Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-02 21:17 +0200
            Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 14:46 -0500
              Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-02 18:44 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 18:03 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-02 21:07 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 20:18 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-02 21:25 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 20:32 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-02 21:51 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 21:03 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-02 22:35 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 22:07 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-02 23:23 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 22:43 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 07:44 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 08:27 -0500
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-03 14:16 +0000
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 09:29 -0500
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 17:40 +0200
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 10:51 -0500
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 18:04 +0200
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 11:09 -0500
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-07-03 16:18 +0000
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 11:24 -0500
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 20:01 +0200
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 13:04 -0500
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 20:20 +0200
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 13:21 -0500
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 20:41 +0200
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 13:23 -0500
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-04 09:21 +0300
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 19:18 -0400
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 19:58 +0200
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-04 10:20 +0000
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-04 07:48 -0500
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-04 13:36 +0000
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-04 11:25 -0400
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-05 10:07 +0300
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 19:18 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 19:18 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-04 09:15 +0300
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-04 07:37 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-04 11:24 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-05 10:16 +0300
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-05 11:06 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-06 09:20 +0300
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-03 04:09 +0000
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 10:33 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 08:22 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 17:44 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 10:53 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 18:05 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 11:11 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 20:04 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 11:14 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 20:08 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 19:18 -0400
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-03 04:05 +0000
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 23:14 -0500
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 07:44 -0400
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 08:29 -0500
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-03 14:36 +0000
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 09:43 -0500
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 19:18 -0400
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-03 14:41 +0000
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-03 10:42 +0300
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 08:13 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-04 09:29 +0300
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                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-05 10:20 +0300
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                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 17:52 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 10:55 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 18:09 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 11:21 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 19:56 +0200
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                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Liar ??? Maybe... "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-04 21:32 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Liar ??? Maybe... Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-04 11:25 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Can ADD be this severe? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-04 09:42 +0300
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Can ADD be this severe? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-04 07:41 -0500
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                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Can ADD be this severe? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-05 10:27 +0300
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