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Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant

From "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl>
Newsgroups comp.theory
Subject Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant
Date 2024-07-03 17:40 +0200
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Op 03.jul.2024 om 16:29 schreef olcott:
> On 7/3/2024 9:16 AM, joes wrote:
>> Am Wed, 03 Jul 2024 08:27:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>> On 7/3/2024 6:44 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 7/2/24 11:43 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 7/2/2024 10:23 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/2/24 11:07 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 9:35 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 10:03 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 8:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 9:32 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 8:25 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 9:18 PM, olcott wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> YOU are just a liar, as proved by the fact that you can not
>>>>>>>>>>>> give the Diagonalization proof you claimed you had.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But I am NOT disagreeing with the x86 language.
>>>>>>>>>> Can you point out what fact of it I am disagreing about it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, and x86n emulation is only fully correct if it continues to
>>>>>>>> the final end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you say such ridiculously stupid things that you are are
>>>>>>> false?
>>>>>> And the only CORRECT EMULATION of that program is to infiniately loop
>>>>>> in the emulation.
>>>>> Not for a freaking termination analyzer nitwit.
>>>> Why do they get to lie?
>> Open question.
>>
>>>>>> Nothing says that you can't make a halt decider work with partial
>>>>>> emulation for SOME inputs. But the halt Decider just isn't itself a
>>>>>> fully correct emulator.
>>>>> You keep stupidly saying that less than an infinite emulation is an
>>>>> incorrect emulation. Why do you keep stupidly doing that?
>>>> Because it is. Partial emulations only show partial truth, and truth is
>>>> the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
>>>> BEHAVIOR needs the FULL description of what happens.
>>>>
>>> Why do you keep lying about this?
>>> As soon as HHH has seen a repeating state it has seen enough.
>> If the state is actually the same. But the simulated HHH sets a flag
>> or something to keep track if it is itself simulating a repetition. <-
>> Which it therefore isn’t.
>>
> 
> _DDD()
> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp
> [00002183] c3         ret
> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
> 
> *This is the repeating state*

But not an *infinitely* repeating state. HHH simulates only two cycles. 
When it aborts itself, the simulated HHH has only one cycle to go.
A correct simulation of HHH (by another simulator) shows that it halts. 
However, HHH is not able to perform a similar correct simulation of itself.

> Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored at:1138cc
> [00002172][001138bc][001138c0] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
> [00002173][001138bc][001138c0] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
> [00002175][001138b8][00002172] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
> [0000217a][001138b4][0000217f] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
> New slave_stack at:14e2ec
> [00002172][0015e2e4][0015e2e8] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
> [00002173][0015e2e4][0015e2e8] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
> [00002175][0015e2e0][00002172] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
> [0000217a][0015e2dc][0000217f] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
> Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped

Incorrect conclusion that it detects an infinite Recursion. It is only a 
two cycle recursion. So, the abort was premature.

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    Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-01 21:09 -0500
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                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 07:26 -0500
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  Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-02 09:23 +0300
    Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 07:20 -0500
      Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-03 10:27 +0300
        Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 08:11 -0500
          Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-04 09:09 +0300
  Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-02 10:22 +0200
    Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 07:22 -0500
      Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-02 20:42 +0200
        Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 14:00 -0500
          Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-02 21:17 +0200
            Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 14:46 -0500
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                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 21:03 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-02 22:35 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 22:07 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-02 23:23 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 22:43 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 07:44 -0400
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                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 17:40 +0200
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 10:51 -0500
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                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 20:41 +0200
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                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant --- AKA is Fred a Liar ? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 19:58 +0200
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-04 10:20 +0000
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-04 07:48 -0500
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-04 13:36 +0000
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-04 11:25 -0400
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-05 10:07 +0300
                Re: Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 19:18 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 19:18 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-04 09:15 +0300
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                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-04 11:24 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-05 10:16 +0300
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-05 11:06 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-06 09:20 +0300
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                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 10:33 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 08:22 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 17:44 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 10:53 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 18:05 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 11:11 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 20:04 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 11:14 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-03 20:08 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 19:18 -0400
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-03 04:05 +0000
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-02 23:14 -0500
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 07:44 -0400
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 08:29 -0500
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-03 14:36 +0000
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                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-03 19:18 -0400
                Re: olcott seems to be willfully ignorant joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-03 14:41 +0000
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-03 10:42 +0300
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 08:13 -0500
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-04 09:29 +0300
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                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-04 11:24 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-05 10:20 +0300
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                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 10:55 -0500
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                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Liar ??? Maybe... "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-04 21:32 +0200
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Liar ??? Maybe... Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-04 11:25 -0400
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Can ADD be this severe? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-04 09:42 +0300
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                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Can ADD be this severe? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-05 10:27 +0300
                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Can ADD be this severe? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-05 07:10 -0500
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                Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-04 10:13 +0000
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