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Re: App

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On 4/29/2024 9:33 AM, John C. wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote:
>> Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>
>>> In my understanding and usage "app" is short for "application program"
>>> and is distingushed from other programs by what it is used for. There
>>> are programs like "utilities" that are for maintaining the computer's
>>> running, or system programs that are not apps.
>>
>>    Whether we like it or not, I think V's explanation is entirely
>> accurate. App started with Steve Jobs and became a word
>> that meant cellphone applet. It was typical of Apple, creating
>> a cutesy, child-like environment that would placate and
>> entertain people afraid of tech, with icons that look like
>> they're designed by a 12 year old girl who dots her i's with
>> little hearts.
>>
>>     On Windows it's always been "programs". Only some
>> programmers say "application". (It could be worse. For
>> awhile people were talking about their programming
>> projects as "solutions".)
> 
> Yes, that wouldn't have been a good thing.
> 
>>     Having established that app means cellphone applet, MS
>> have made things more clear. They've gone from Metro to
>> RT to UWP to name essentially the same crippled, interpreted
>> applet software. Who knows those terms? No one outside of
>> Windows programming. With the Start Menu separating Programs
>> from Apps it becomes still more clear. These Metro applets are,
>> and are meant to be, more like cellphone applets than Windows
>> software. They're a completely different animal, closer to
>> dyanmic webpages than to complied executables. (Though,
>> frankly, I've never found a clear explanation of exactly how
>> they work. I've seen lists of restricted APIs. I've seen lists
>> of all the ways one can write a Metro applet -- from HTML to
>> C++. But I've never seen a technical explanation of exactly how
>> they operate and get interpreted.)
> 
> My understanding of them is that they're more or less like a portable
> app that uses callouts to modules which are standard in every Windows
> version since W8. The "apps" are hidden in a folder named "C:/Program
> Files/WindowsApps". You may think you can "uninstall" them, but all that
> does is to (usually) turn them off if they normally run in the
> background AND to eliminate access to them. The program files actually
> remain in the WindowsApps folder. Steps to access to that folder are
> easily found on the internet so that you can delete the program files,
> but doing so can be risky if the files you delete are for "apps" that
> come by default with Windows.

   They can be uninnstalled to some extent, but it's a tedious
process involving PowerShell, designed to make sure that virtually
no one tries it. Microsoft are clearly trying to force this crap
on people, getting everyone used to thinking of Windows as
a giant Metro cellphone, with plenty of ads and no control.

https://www.askvg.com/guide-how-to-remove-all-built-in-apps-in-windows-10/

  I've uninstalled pretty much everything on my system. When I
set it up I wanted to get to a base starting point of max-clean,
min-size, no junk.

    The WindowsApps
folder mostly just has .Net runtimes in it. I also left applets for display,
sounds and sound recorder. The rest is gone. The SystemApps folder
is similar. It seems to only have basic OS functionality. I tried to
remove SearchApp but id didn't work. I was able to shut it off, though,
by renaming the folder with a bat file.

   Crazy nonsense. When I look at Sound Recorder I find a lot of crap
that looks like redundant config files, and an EXE that seems to be
a normal, compiled PE file.

> For me, one of the most frustrating things about W10 is the massively
> reduced UI configurability.
> 

    Yes. Odd, isn't it? I've found that with Classic Shell and
WinAero Tweaker I can get back some control. But it turned
out that I can't get window frames without Aero. And there's
no going back to a menu from the "ribbon". Fortunately I
don't use that very much. I've got it looking pretty much
like XP/7 with Classic style, for the most part. And actually,
some things are better. For example, I was able to change
most icons without too much trouble. I now have my own folder
icons and was aable to bring my red oak wasttebasket over
from XP. (Though Win10 often doesn't update the display
when I empty it.)

   One annoyance still unsolved is folder windows. I tried runing
a Win7 script to make all windows the same size. It seems to
have worked. But then if I do something like maximize one window,
Win10 starts maxing all of them and I have to retrain it. That's
especially irritating because it's been broken since Win98.

   On XP, every folder was set to remember its size and type, but
it didn't work because Explorer had a bug that made it record the
specs wrong. It was fixable with a Registry edit, but rather involved.

   With Vista/7 MS broke the system again, swapping around the
Registry settings as though to deliberately thwart any effort to
make it work properly. Win7 has a way to remove all settings and then
create one setting for all folders, which is fine with me. I'm still not
certain whether it still works on Win10.

  It involves deleting the keys
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Classes\Local 
Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\BagMRU and Bags, which store 
settings for each opened folder
but are undependable.

  Then those two keys are recreated and the desired settings are
created in Bags\AllFolders\Shell ...It's not a project for the faint of 
heart. :)

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