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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.computer.workshop, comp.sys.mac.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked |
| Organization | Southern Nevada Institute of Technology |
| References | <n0oub2Fm1mpU1@mid.individual.net> <n1g953FbuilU1@mid.individual.net> <69b2fa80$7$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <n1grlhFeoa7U1@mid.individual.net> |
| Date | 2026-03-12 22:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <69b33bfe$1$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> (permalink) |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On Mar 12, 2026 at 3:05:37 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <n1grlhFeoa7U1@mid.individual.net>: > On 12/03/2026 17:40, Brock McNuggets wrote: >> On Mar 12, 2026 at 9:49:38 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote >> <n1g953FbuilU1@mid.individual.net>: > > <BIG SNIP> >>> I prefer to verify. >> >> No. You are not verifying anything. You are obsessing and attacking. Please >> stop. > > Brock, > > You are leaning heavily on the "harassment" label to avoid addressing > the underlying security architecture. No, I am noting harassment is wrong. You have spent years "investigating" and found -- NOTHING. The only thing you ever find is your obsession with him and his product, and your need to make a bunch of negative insinuations. It is wrong of you. > Let’s look at the technical facts: > > 1. The Root of Trust (Developer ID and Gatekeeper) > You claim that because EtreCheck isn't in the App Store, the developer's > standing there is irrelevant. No. If he was found to be doing wrong there it would matter. But him being there is not a signhe was doing wrong until he was there. > This is technically incorrect. Apple’s > security model for both Notarization and the App Store relies on the > same Developer ID certificate. This is not in question. You AI is not understanding things any better than you are. > > When a user launches an app, Gatekeeper performs a series of checks. It > doesn't just look for a signature; it checks the Notarization ticket and > queries Apple's OCSP (Online Certificate Status Protocol) servers to see > if the developer's certificate is still valid. If a developer is caught > engaging in malicious activity or violates Apple's trust in a way that > leads to a certificate revocation, it doesn't just affect one app. The > moment that certificate is revoked, Gatekeeper will block every piece of > standalone software they’ve released—including EtreCheck. They are > intrinsically linked by the same cryptographic root of trust. Monitoring > a developer's standing across the ecosystem is a logical way to gauge > the reliability of their software. This is true for software that is NOT on the store, too. Again, you keep staring things you do not understand. Your "investigation" is not investigating anything. It is your own obsession with this innocent man and your need to attack him. Please stop. > > 2. Functional Access vs. Intent > You admitted that an app with permissions can do "all sorts of things." You say "admit" as if this is in question. Seriously, you are not understanding any of what you "investigate". You are merely making of fool of yourself and seeking to harm an innocent man. > We agree there. Where we differ is that you trust the developer's > intent, while I am looking at the functional capability. You are not looking at "functional capacity" -- you are targeting a specific person with unfounded attacks. > If a program > has the "run" and "network" entitlements, the technical "access" exists. > Pointing out this potential attack surface isn't an "attack" on the > author; it’s a basic risk assessment of the code and the "Hardened > Runtime" it operates within. Again: you are singling out one person based on your own challenges. It has nothing to do with Etrecheck or its developer but your own obsession. PLEASE STOP! > > 3. The Purpose of a Workshop > A technical newsgroup is exactly the place to analyze how software > interacts with our systems. If questioning a commercial product's > "phoning-home" behaviour and its security lifecycle is "harmful" to you, > then you are valuing personal sentiment over technical transparency. This again shows you (and you AI) cannot understand what you are reading. I never said your harassment of him was a direct harm to me. Why do you think he refuses to speak to you? Why do you think everyone you encounter on your one-man crusade, friend or foe, tells you how misguided you are? > The developer is an active commercial entity on the ASC forums; his > products are not immune to critique. Nobody said they were... but harassment is WRONG. Please stop! > I have no interest in his personal > choices regarding who he speaks to. I am interested in the code running > on my iMac. I will continue to "audit" and "verify" any software I > choose to use, as should anyone who values system integrity. You are not auditing anything. You are not verifying anything. You do not even understand the basics here. You simply target and harass an innocent man. It is wrong, David. I say this as a friend. I do not think you mean to cause harm -- I do not think you understand how much your focus on this software, or ClamXAV, is utter nonsense -- but it is. Even if something shows up in the future where it is found he is doing wrong, YOU will not be the one to find it. You are not helping anyone here. You are harming him and making a fool of yourself. Period. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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