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Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked

From "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk>
Newsgroups alt.computer.workshop, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked
Date 2026-03-13 22:41 +0000
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On 13/03/2026 13:46, Brock McNuggets wrote:
[....]
> David,
> 
> You’re not being asked to “stop using AI” because the points are
> irrefutable. You’re being asked to stop using it because it’s clearly
> generating confident-sounding explanations about topics you don’t actually
> understand. That’s not verification — it’s cargo-cult technical analysis.
> 
> Let’s untangle a few things.
> 
> First, OCSP and Developer ID aren’t discoveries. They’re fundamental parts
> of the macOS security model created by Apple. Every properly signed macOS
> application participates in that chain of trust. Mentioning those terms
> doesn’t reveal anything unusual about a specific utility — it simply shows
> the software is behaving exactly the way the platform is designed to
> behave.

Of course.

> Second, EtreCheck isn’t “phoning home” in the conspiratorial sense you’re
> implying. The developer, Etresoft (Etresoft), has been extremely
> transparent for years about what the app does: it collects system
> diagnostic data locally and can optionally share anonymized data for
> troubleshooting. That’s normal for diagnostic utilities and has been
> publicly documented many times.

That's correct. It DOES have a connection to my computer when I run it.

> Third, bringing up UK corporate filings and director’s loans for the
> company behind ClamXAV — Canimaan Software Ltd — isn’t “auditing the
> hardened runtime of the business.” It’s just dragging unrelated financial
> trivia into a technical discussion. UK small-company filings routinely
> include director loans; they’re common, legal, and not remotely indicative
> of security risk.

It's an indication of possible criminal activity.

> So no, the issue isn’t that the “technical points are irrefutable.” The
> issue is that the points being presented don’t actually support the
> conclusions you’re drawing from them.

That's just *your* opinion. Most folk do not trust what you say. :-(

> Calling that “harassment” isn’t moralizing — it’s pointing out that
> repeatedly targeting a small independent developer with speculative
> accusations based on misunderstood infrastructure isn’t productive or fair.

I haven't misunderstood anything!

> If you want to discuss macOS security, great. There are lots of interesting
> details in the notarization and Developer ID systems. But right now you’re
> treating ordinary platform behavior as if it were a discovery, and treating
> public company filings as if they were a vulnerability report.
> 
> That’s not an audit.
> 
> It’s just noise.

No, it's not.  You have taken no interest in matters which have 
concerned me.

I even feel guilty for having recommended that you use Usenapp.
That's another suspect software from someone who hides in the shadows!
You've never shown any interest in a product which could be logging
every key which you press on your keyboard! You simply don't care, do you?

-- 
Kind regards,
David

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Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Octothorpe Obelus <one2threeMainstreet@anytown.org> - 2026-03-03 19:16 -0500
  Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-03-07 05:57 +0000
    Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2026-03-07 01:59 -0600
      Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-03-07 23:06 +0000
        Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 20:26 -0700
          Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 05:32 +0000
            Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Bobby The Shitstain <hotmailsss@hotmail.edu> - 2026-03-08 08:55 +0000
              Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Ubiquitous <webermark@polaris.net> - 2026-03-08 09:03 +0000
        Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-03-08 04:28 +0000
          Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 04:42 +0000
        Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 04:48 +0000
      Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-03-08 04:28 +0000
    Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-07 08:24 +0000
      Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-03-08 04:28 +0000
        Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-08 20:04 +0000
          Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 23:56 +0000
            Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-09 18:32 +0000
              Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 18:38 +0000
              Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org.invalid> - 2026-03-09 18:32 -0500
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-10 00:11 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-09 17:16 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-10 00:38 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "Lionel Tiberius Jackson Jr." <lTjjr@localmail.net> - 2026-03-09 20:56 -0400
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 20:40 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-11 11:08 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 17:58 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 16:38 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-10 21:35 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 01:40 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-11 09:27 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 14:03 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-11 14:32 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 01:43 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "Lionel Tiberius Jackson Jr." <lTjjr@localmail.net> - 2026-03-11 21:55 -0400
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-12 11:22 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 14:14 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-12 15:16 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 15:54 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-12 16:49 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 17:40 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-12 22:05 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 22:19 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-12 23:27 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 00:09 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 18:37 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 18:19 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-13 09:55 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 13:46 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-13 22:41 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 23:43 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-14 00:10 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:10 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-14 08:03 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:26 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-14 14:25 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 15:44 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-14 15:56 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 18:07 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-16 10:53 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 13:46 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 15:52 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-14 16:13 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 18:08 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-16 10:38 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 20:22 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-16 10:40 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 14:07 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org.invalid> - 2026-03-16 13:23 -0500
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "Nobody" <nobodyspecial@kinkos.net> - 2026-03-14 18:48 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 19:58 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-16 10:43 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 14:06 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-16 23:39 +0000
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                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 14:30 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 01:25 +0000
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      Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 05:23 +0000
        Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-08 13:11 +0000
          Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 17:51 +0000
            Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-08 20:28 +0000
              Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 21:36 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-08 22:21 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-08 16:21 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-08 23:36 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 00:26 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-08 17:50 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-09 18:22 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 18:39 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 00:27 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-09 20:01 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 14:37 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 22:06 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 15:13 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 23:42 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 00:02 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-09 18:48 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 19:00 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-10 22:04 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 01:38 +0000
          Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 19:58 +0000
            Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-13 22:00 +0000
              Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 23:36 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-14 00:16 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:04 +0000
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          Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 20:22 +0000
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