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Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked

From "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk>
Newsgroups alt.computer.workshop, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked
Date 2026-03-12 22:05 +0000
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On 12/03/2026 17:40, Brock McNuggets wrote:
> On Mar 12, 2026 at 9:49:38 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
> <n1g953FbuilU1@mid.individual.net>:

<BIG SNIP>
>> I prefer to verify.
> 
> No. You are not verifying anything. You are obsessing and attacking. Please
> stop.

Brock,

You are leaning heavily on the "harassment" label to avoid addressing 
the underlying security architecture. Let’s look at the technical facts:

1. The Root of Trust (Developer ID and Gatekeeper)
You claim that because EtreCheck isn't in the App Store, the developer's 
standing there is irrelevant. This is technically incorrect. Apple’s 
security model for both Notarization and the App Store relies on the 
same Developer ID certificate.

When a user launches an app, Gatekeeper performs a series of checks. It 
doesn't just look for a signature; it checks the Notarization ticket and 
queries Apple's OCSP (Online Certificate Status Protocol) servers to see 
if the developer's certificate is still valid. If a developer is caught 
engaging in malicious activity or violates Apple's trust in a way that 
leads to a certificate revocation, it doesn't just affect one app. The 
moment that certificate is revoked, Gatekeeper will block every piece of 
standalone software they’ve released—including EtreCheck. They are 
intrinsically linked by the same cryptographic root of trust. Monitoring 
a developer's standing across the ecosystem is a logical way to gauge 
the reliability of their software.

2. Functional Access vs. Intent
You admitted that an app with permissions can do "all sorts of things." 
We agree there. Where we differ is that you trust the developer's 
intent, while I am looking at the functional capability. If a program 
has the "run" and "network" entitlements, the technical "access" exists. 
Pointing out this potential attack surface isn't an "attack" on the 
author; it’s a basic risk assessment of the code and the "Hardened 
Runtime" it operates within.

3. The Purpose of a Workshop
A technical newsgroup is exactly the place to analyze how software 
interacts with our systems. If questioning a commercial product's 
"phoning-home" behaviour and its security lifecycle is "harmful" to you, 
then you are valuing personal sentiment over technical transparency.

The developer is an active commercial entity on the ASC forums; his 
products are not immune to critique. I have no interest in his personal 
choices regarding who he speaks to. I am interested in the code running 
on my iMac. I will continue to "audit" and "verify" any software I 
choose to use, as should anyone who values system integrity.
-- 
David

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Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Octothorpe Obelus <one2threeMainstreet@anytown.org> - 2026-03-03 19:16 -0500
  Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-03-07 05:57 +0000
    Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2026-03-07 01:59 -0600
      Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-03-07 23:06 +0000
        Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 20:26 -0700
          Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 05:32 +0000
            Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Bobby The Shitstain <hotmailsss@hotmail.edu> - 2026-03-08 08:55 +0000
              Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Ubiquitous <webermark@polaris.net> - 2026-03-08 09:03 +0000
        Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-03-08 04:28 +0000
          Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 04:42 +0000
        Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 04:48 +0000
      Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-03-08 04:28 +0000
    Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-07 08:24 +0000
      Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2026-03-08 04:28 +0000
        Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-08 20:04 +0000
          Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 23:56 +0000
            Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-09 18:32 +0000
              Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 18:38 +0000
              Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org.invalid> - 2026-03-09 18:32 -0500
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-10 00:11 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-09 17:16 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-10 00:38 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "Lionel Tiberius Jackson Jr." <lTjjr@localmail.net> - 2026-03-09 20:56 -0400
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 20:40 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-11 11:08 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 17:58 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 16:38 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-10 21:35 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 01:40 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-11 09:27 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 14:03 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-11 14:32 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 01:43 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "Lionel Tiberius Jackson Jr." <lTjjr@localmail.net> - 2026-03-11 21:55 -0400
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-12 11:22 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 14:14 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-12 15:16 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 15:54 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-12 16:49 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 17:40 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-12 22:05 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 22:19 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-12 23:27 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 00:09 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 18:37 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 18:19 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-13 09:55 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 13:46 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-13 22:41 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 23:43 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-14 00:10 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:10 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-14 08:03 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:26 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-14 14:25 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 15:44 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-14 15:56 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 18:07 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-16 10:53 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 13:46 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 15:52 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-14 16:13 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 18:08 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-16 10:38 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 20:22 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-16 10:40 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 14:07 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Kelly Phillips <KFile@podcasts.org.invalid> - 2026-03-16 13:23 -0500
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "Nobody" <nobodyspecial@kinkos.net> - 2026-03-14 18:48 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 19:58 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-16 10:43 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 14:06 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-16 23:39 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Glock <glock@localhost.com> - 2026-03-14 21:15 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 14:30 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 01:25 +0000
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      Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 05:23 +0000
        Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-08 13:11 +0000
          Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 17:51 +0000
            Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-08 20:28 +0000
              Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 21:36 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-08 22:21 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-08 16:21 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-08 23:36 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 00:26 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-03-08 17:50 -0700
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-09 18:22 +0000
                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 18:39 +0000
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                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-09 20:01 +0000
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                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 22:06 +0000
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                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 23:42 +0000
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                Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-10 22:04 +0000
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            Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked "David B." <David@hotmail.co.uk> - 2026-03-13 22:00 +0000
              Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 23:36 +0000
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          Re: How To Protect Your Mac From Being Bricked Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 20:22 +0000
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