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Re: Questions for Eisteinians

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Date 2016-05-25 13:58 -0700
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Subject Re: Questions for Eisteinians
From kenseto <setoken@att.net>

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On Wednesday, May 25, 2016 at 12:50:39 PM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
> 
> >On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 2:50:51 PM UTC-4, Mikkel Haaheim wrote:
> >> Except that the GPS clock observations are measurements of time dilation 
> >> due to gravity. The difference in gravitational field force is confirmed 
> >> by both observers, and the direction of that field is also confirmed by 
> >> both observers. This is NOT an issue of relative velocity induced time 
> >> dilation.
> 
> >GPS runs fast due to gravity: 45 us/day running fast
> >GPS runs slow due to velocity (the SR effect): 7 us/day running slow.
> >The end result: GPS runs fast 38us/day running fast.
> 
> >The SR effect is not mutual time dilation. From the ground clock point of 
> >view: the GPS runs slow by a factor of 7 us/day and from the GPS point of 
> >view: the ground clock runs fast by a factor of 7us/day running fast.
> 
> Did you miss this sentence that Mikkel wrote, Ken?
> 
> >> Except that the GPS clock observations are measurements of time dilation 
> >> due to gravity.
> 
> The GPS is a GR problem, you cannot use SR to solve it!

Idiot I didn't use SR to solve anything. I pointed out that the SR effect in the GR equation rejects the idea of mutual time dilation.
> 
> You really need to learn SR someday. One of the things you need to learn is
> when SR can, and can't, be applied.

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Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-21 14:36 -0700
  Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-21 16:45 -0500
    Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-21 15:53 -0700
      Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-21 18:54 -0500
        Re: Questions for Eisteinians HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-21 17:22 -0700
        Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-22 05:51 -0700
          Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 08:06 -0500
        Re: Questions for Eisteinians Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2016-05-22 13:42 -0700
          Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 17:55 -0500
      Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:18 -0500
  Re: Questions for Eisteinians "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-05-21 16:01 -0700
    Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-21 16:16 -0700
    Re: Questions for Eisteinians Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 08:25 +0200
      Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-22 06:45 -0700
    Re: Questions for Eisteinians Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 04:56 -0700
      Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-22 05:22 -0700
        Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 08:15 -0500
        Re: Questions for Eisteinians "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 15:39 -0700
          Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-23 07:34 -0700
            Re: Questions for Eisteinians Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 08:51 -0700
              Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-23 12:55 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 14:56 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 15:05 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-23 13:33 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-23 22:24 +0000
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-24 06:31 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 09:30 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-24 14:35 +0000
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 18:14 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-23 20:33 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 06:35 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-24 06:56 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 09:52 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-25 08:02 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 10:11 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 10:40 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-25 13:56 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 16:18 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 16:01 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 20:26 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-25 23:32 -0400
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 20:31 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-24 10:54 -0400
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 10:21 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-24 14:16 -0400
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 14:15 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 06:23 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-25 23:29 -0400
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 08:46 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-24 13:37 -0400
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-25 08:26 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 08:01 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-25 07:51 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 10:00 -0500
        Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:23 -0500
          Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-23 13:09 -0700
            Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 15:24 -0500
            Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 15:38 -0500
  Re: Questions for Eisteinians moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-22 01:30 +0000
    Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-22 06:11 -0700
      Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 08:19 -0500
        Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-22 06:49 -0700
          Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-22 11:27 -0500
          Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:29 -0500
      Re: Questions for Eisteinians moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-22 22:59 +0000
        Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-23 07:41 -0700
          Re: Questions for Eisteinians moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-23 17:49 +0000
            Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-23 13:20 -0700
              Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 15:26 -0500
              Re: Questions for Eisteinians moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-23 22:22 +0000
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-24 06:30 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-24 14:32 +0000
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 09:34 -0500
      Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:27 -0500
        Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-23 13:10 -0700
          Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 15:40 -0500
  Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 11:15 -0500
    Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-23 13:03 -0700
      Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 15:27 -0500
      Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-23 15:38 -0500
        Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-23 14:51 -0700
          Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 06:30 -0500
            Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-24 06:51 -0700
              Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 09:42 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-25 08:08 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 10:12 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 10:42 -0500
              Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 09:47 -0500
          Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 09:41 -0500
            Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-24 09:18 -0700
              Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 11:25 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-25 07:37 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 10:07 -0500
          Re: Questions for Eisteinians Mikkel Haaheim <mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com> - 2016-05-24 11:50 -0700
            Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-25 08:23 -0700
              Re: Questions for Eisteinians moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-25 16:50 +0000
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-25 13:58 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-25 21:39 +0000
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-25 17:11 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-26 02:53 +0000
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-26 09:42 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 11:51 -0500
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-05-26 09:32 -0700
                Re: Questions for Eisteinians Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 12:02 -0500
  Re: Questions for Eisteinians "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 10:33 -0700
    Re: Questions for Eisteinians benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-26 14:15 -0400

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