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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.os.linux |
| Subject | Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... |
| Date | 2019-01-19 06:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5unahf-k11.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
| References | (2 earlier) <e43e2360-0527-449d-a66e-4e041a11b59b@trust.no1> <eCp0E.232801$eE1.168144@fx31.am4> <q1tlus$ckk$1@dont-email.me> <igmahf-cmv.ln1@Telcontar.valinor> <q1ual7$l3r$1@dont-email.me> |
On 19/01/2019 05.56, William Unruh wrote: > On 2019-01-19, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: >> On 19/01/2019 00.02, William Unruh wrote: >>> On 2019-01-18, Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> wrote: >>>> On 2019-01-18, Queequeg <queequeg@trust.no1> wrote: >>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc F. Russell <fr@random.info> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> For a personal workstation systemd is a TOTALLY UNNECESSARY and >>>>>> massive layer of pure junk. Anyone stupid enough to accept it >>>>>> will reject all counterarguments for its usefulness. >>>>> >>>>> I'm still wondering what was the reason for replacing sysvinit with >>>>> systemd in default Debian installations despite users' protests. >>>> >>>> Because systemd is better... >>> >>> Of course the discussion is over what the definition of "better" is. >>> Fron what I have read there are various advantages and disadvantages of >>> systemd. Faster boot because of parallel booting, >> >> openSUSE had parallel booting with initd. Clear dependencies. >> >>> easier to make the booting of subsystem A depend >>> on the state of B,C,D. >>> logging is incomprehensible binary database file which requires a >>> separate program to read. >> >> You can use traditional log files if you wish, or dump the journal to >> text later. > > Sure as long as you have a TB disk just for booting. (Yes, I exagerate > a little bit but to have two parallel log systems is not exactly > efficient.) Then disable the journal. I do sometimes. If not, you can limit the size of the journal, or limit it to the current boot. Plenty of alternatives. > >> >>> systemd boot programs binary programs which >>> are hard to either understand or change. Dependencies hard to >>> understand. >> >> Services are defined by simple configuration files easy to change. No >> need to debug boot scripts. > > Well, simple may also be in the eyes of the beholder, and when the boot > file does not do what you want it to, configuration files are almost > never enough. Or do you really believe Pottinger thought of all > possibilites? I did not say that I understand all those files ;-) > >> >>> So, better or worse may well depend on one's point of view. >> >> Yes. >> -- Cheers, Carlos.
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This is what good old systemd has done to me... Ike <Ike@google.com> - 2019-01-13 15:23 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-13 22:39 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Ike" <Ike@google.com> - 2019-01-13 18:28 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 02:08 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Tech Systems" <querry@tci.com> - 2019-01-14 06:52 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 15:50 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-14 16:09 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-01-14 19:35 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2019-01-15 00:05 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2019-01-19 08:33 -0500
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-01-14 14:00 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Tech Systems" <querry@tci.com> - 2019-01-14 07:07 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 15:53 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Tech Systems" <querry@tci.com> - 2019-01-14 09:53 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Yrrah <Yrrah-aol@aol.invalid> - 2019-01-14 18:37 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 19:53 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-01-14 13:08 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> - 2019-01-14 08:35 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 15:53 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2019-01-13 17:46 -0500
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Ike" <Ike@google.com> - 2019-01-13 18:30 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2019-01-15 00:03 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-13 23:50 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2019-01-14 01:02 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> - 2019-01-13 20:14 -0500
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2019-01-14 01:21 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-14 07:05 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 13:25 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-14 20:00 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-14 20:39 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-14 21:15 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Tech Systems <querry@tci.com> - 2019-01-14 07:00 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-01-14 19:51 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-01-18 11:42 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2019-01-18 11:59 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name> - 2019-01-20 18:04 +0200
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-01-18 14:24 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-01-18 09:23 -0600
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be> - 2019-01-18 15:26 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-01-18 19:14 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-19 10:07 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-01-18 19:16 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-18 23:02 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-19 05:43 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-01-19 04:56 +0000
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-19 06:07 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-19 10:24 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2019-01-19 14:39 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-19 20:57 +0100
Re: This is what good old systemd has done to me... "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-01-19 10:08 +0100
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