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Re: StageFright: QuickFix

From Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
Newsgroups de.alt.comm.android
Subject Re: StageFright: QuickFix
Date 2015-08-14 11:11 +0200
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Am 2015-08-13 um 21:25 schrieb Andreas M. Kirchwitz:

[...]
> Die Geräte-Hersteller hätten in eigenem Interesse einen Weg finden
> müssen, ihre Anpassungen und Erweiterungen möglichst modular zu
> gestalten, so dass bei Googles nächstem Android-Update (und sei
> es nur eine winzige Sub-Release) nicht alles von vorn beginnt.

Nur, wenn man als Hersteller auch zeitnah Updates liefern will.

> Falls Android so miserabel entworfen ist, dass grundsätzlich
> keine modularen Anpassungen möglich sind, ist die Frage, warum
> man überhaupt Android verwendet und warum man nicht mal Google
> die Meinung gesagt hat.

Wozu? Die Dinger verkaufen sich doch gut, auch ohne Updates.

> Auch vor Markt-Einführung von Android oder iOS war längst klar,
> dass Firmware-Updates spätestens bei smarten Geräten unumgänglich
> sind. Ich erinnere mich noch gut, dass bei Nokias S60-Plattform
> regelmäßige Firmware-Updates bereits Standard waren... und zwar

Diese Geräte wurden auch nicht für 100 EUR oder weniger verkauft. Selbst
ein Nokia 3230 kostet als refurbished Ware immer noch über 100 EUR. Auch
ist es ein Unterschied, ob man als Hersteller nur für die *eigenen*
Geräte ein System pflegen muss oder ein System von Google, dass nach
etlichen Anpassungen auch auf eigenen Geräten lauffähig ist.


-- 
Arno Welzel
http://arnowelzel.de
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StageFright: QuickFix Peter Mairhofer <63832452@gmx.net> - 2015-07-28 00:37 +0200
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-07-28 03:04 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-07-28 08:44 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-06 20:32 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-06 21:11 +0200
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-06 21:43 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 00:00 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Gert Link <gertlink_nospam@gmx.de> - 2015-08-07 00:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 09:54 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-07 09:55 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 12:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-07 13:34 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Stefan Kanthak" <postmaster@127.in-addr.arpa> - 2015-08-07 15:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-07 20:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-07 16:49 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-07 23:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-08 18:02 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-09 01:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 01:52 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-10 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 12:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 18:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 20:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 21:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 00:15 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 14:02 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 18:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-10 19:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 20:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-10 21:39 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 22:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-12 23:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-13 04:33 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 12:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 19:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 09:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 17:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 21:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 03:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 10:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 11:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 12:09 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 13:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 18:18 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 16:08 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 19:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-20 00:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-20 13:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 16:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-20 18:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-13 15:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-14 16:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 08:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 12:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 15:40 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 16:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 16:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 10:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 21:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-14 16:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 22:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 22:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-20 18:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-21 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 02:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-22 06:46 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 07:37 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 16:48 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-22 09:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 12:39 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 16:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:32 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 15:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 17:07 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 20:54 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-23 16:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:33 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-23 16:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-24 20:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 23:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 02:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-25 12:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 10:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 11:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 19:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-26 16:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-26 20:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-27 10:23 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-27 14:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-28 10:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-03 17:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 09:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-09-04 10:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 11:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-04 17:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-04 23:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-05 01:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-07 12:20 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-07 16:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 17:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-07 21:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-09-08 00:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 08:19 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-08 22:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-09 21:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-10 19:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 06:16 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 15:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 16:53 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-08 10:40 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 23:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 06:18 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 16:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 10:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 10:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 17:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-10 05:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-10 05:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:22 +0200
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                OT: Secure Boot (was: Re: StageFright: QuickFix) Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-29 10:15 +0200
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                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-04 17:46 +0200
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                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-24 12:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 17:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-24 21:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:31 +0200
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                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:53 +0200
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                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:24 +0200
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                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 10:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 11:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 20:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:29 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-14 00:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-14 01:57 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 11:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:46 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-10 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 11:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 12:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-10 12:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 23:48 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-11 17:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-12 10:25 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 13:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-12 13:36 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 17:09 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-12 17:55 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 11:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-12 20:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 22:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 21:01 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 12:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 14:03 +0000
                OT: optimale Schaltkulisse, war: Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-08-13 20:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 11:16 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 00:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-15 02:42 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 02:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-17 14:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-17 18:37 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-18 01:36 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-18 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 17:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 01:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 06:42 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-18 17:15 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 04:08 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 13:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:39 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-19 18:07 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 21:10 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 11:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 23:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-13 19:25 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-14 17:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-13 16:28 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:18 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 18:04 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-10 18:18 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-11 07:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-11 17:29 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-12 00:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:37 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 00:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:43 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 00:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:11 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 23:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-14 16:14 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-14 20:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-19 23:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-22 19:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-23 10:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 10:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-24 13:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-14 16:20 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-15 00:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-15 15:53 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-15 22:16 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-16 17:36 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 00:54 +0200
                Computer in der Jugend (was: StageFright: QuickFix) Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-17 18:14 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 12:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-19 18:12 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 11:26 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-07 00:18 +0000
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-07 02:28 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-10 17:15 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-06 21:12 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-06 23:39 +0000
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-08 23:56 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-09 11:51 +0000
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Markus Fuenfrocken <markus@fuenfrocken.de> - 2015-07-28 10:29 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-07-28 10:42 +0000
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-08-31 07:48 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix Christian Steins <cs01@quantentunnel.de> - 2015-09-08 11:31 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-17 15:52 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Rolf Buenning <DerRolf@NurFuerSpam.de> - 2015-09-21 09:03 +0200
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 09:57 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 12:21 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 13:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 13:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 15:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-21 14:51 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 17:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-22 06:23 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-22 08:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-22 16:53 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-24 17:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-22 10:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-22 11:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-22 23:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-23 12:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 11:13 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-23 14:32 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 14:31 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-23 14:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 17:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-21 20:37 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Rolf Buenning <DerRolf@NurFuerSpam.de> - 2015-09-23 09:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-26 12:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-26 13:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-26 14:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-26 15:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-26 14:54 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Christian Steins <cs01@quantentunnel.de> - 2015-11-10 13:13 +0100

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