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Re: for your languages

From cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter)
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: for your languages
Date 2011-06-04 22:10 +0000
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References (11 earlier) <chine.bleu-EEDDA7.19361702062011@news.eternal-september.org> <lnboyekjhr.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org> <4dea35ff$0$8875$a729d347@news.telepac.pt> <slrniukneh.2su.angel+news@pearlgates.net> <04d94867-6229-44ab-a200-eb78972f3fdf@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>

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On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:02:30 -0700 (PDT), "Kleuskes & Moos"
<kleuske@xs4all.nl> wrote:

>On Jun 4, 6:31=A0pm, Angel <angel+n...@spamcop.net> wrote:
><snip>
>
>> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Hasty_generalization
>>
>> Anyway, your claim is false, I am 100% certain I can write a set of
>> instructions for sparc64 that cannot be mapped in any meaningful way to
>> x86.
>
>Doesn't Turing object to that?

He doesn't.  He's dead, poor chap.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Turing_machine
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness

The problem with "Turing completeness" is that it is not physically
realizable.  If you want to say that in a hypothetical infinite
universe two different languages are equivalent, have at it.   In this
universe equivalencies are subject to finiteness constraints.  Another
factor is that different machines, real and virtual, have different
input and output devices and these might not be equivalent.

All of that said, I'm skeptical about the claim.

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for your languages "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-05-28 09:08 +0200
  Re: for your languages BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-28 02:48 -0700
    Re: for your languages "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-05-29 17:51 +0200
      Re: for your languages Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-16 15:39 -0700
        Re: for your languages "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-06-17 09:55 +0200
          Re: for your languages Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-19 22:21 -0500
            Re: for your languages "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-06-20 09:51 +0200
              Re: for your languages "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-06-20 12:06 +0200
              Re: for your languages Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-20 10:08 -0500
                Re: for your languages "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-07-08 20:06 +0200
  Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-28 11:06 +0100
    Re: for your languages BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-28 03:38 -0700
    Re: for your languages "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-05-28 16:01 +0100
      Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-28 19:36 +0100
        Re: for your languages "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-05-28 21:18 +0100
          Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-29 12:33 +0100
            Re: for your languages James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-05-29 08:31 -0400
              Re: for your languages China Blue Angels <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-29 05:37 -0700
                Re: for your languages James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-05-29 09:09 -0400
                Re: for your languages China Blue Angels <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-29 07:00 -0700
                Re: for your languages "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-05-29 16:52 +0100
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-31 02:18 +0100
                Re: for your languages James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-05-30 22:21 -0400
                Re: for your languages China Blue Angels <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-30 20:39 -0700
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-05-29 12:44 -0700
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-31 02:12 +0100
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-05-31 10:44 -0700
              Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-31 02:05 +0100
            Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-05-29 12:34 -0700
              Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-31 02:00 +0100
                Re: for your languages "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-05-31 13:10 +0100
                Re: for your languages China Blue Angels <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-31 06:20 -0700
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-05-31 11:53 -0700
                Re: for your languages Angel <angel+news@spamcop.net> - 2011-05-31 12:23 +0000
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-31 17:46 +0100
                Re: for your languages Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-05-31 17:05 +0000
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-01 15:39 +0100
                Re: for your languages Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-06-01 17:53 +0000
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-02 22:18 +0100
                Re: for your languages Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-06-03 00:44 +0000
                Re: for your languages Angel <angel+news@spamcop.net> - 2011-05-31 19:04 +0000
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-01 15:44 +0100
                Re: for your languages Angel <angel+news@spamcop.net> - 2011-06-01 19:40 +0000
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-02 21:58 +0100
                Re: for your languages Angel <angel+news@spamcop.net> - 2011-06-02 23:09 +0000
                Re: for your languages Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-02 21:28 -0500
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-05-31 10:41 -0700
    Re: for your languages Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2011-05-28 11:15 -0400
      Re: for your languages Lorenzo Villari <vlllnz@tiscali.it> - 2011-05-28 20:05 +0200
        Re: for your languages Uncle Steve <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2011-05-28 14:16 -0400
    Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-05-28 12:07 -0700
      Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-29 12:19 +0100
        Re: for your languages James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-05-29 08:59 -0400
          Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-31 01:50 +0100
        Re: for your languages Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-05-29 20:36 +0000
          Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-31 00:28 +0100
            Re: for your languages Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-05-30 17:21 -0700
              Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-31 01:58 +0100
                Re: for your languages Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-05-31 01:27 +0000
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-05-31 10:37 -0700
                Re: for your languages Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-05-31 18:34 -0700
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-01 15:06 +0100
                Re: for your languages James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-06-01 10:30 -0400
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-02 21:36 +0100
                Re: for your languages James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-06-02 22:06 -0400
                Re: for your languages Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-06-01 18:19 -0700
                Re: for your languages Shao Miller <sha0.miller@gmail.com> - 2011-06-02 01:06 -0500
                Re: for your languages Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-06-03 12:02 -0700
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-02 21:34 +0100
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-02 15:53 -0700
                Re: for your languages Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-06-03 12:24 -0700
            Re: for your languages Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-05-31 01:10 +0000
            Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-05-31 10:34 -0700
              Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-01 14:58 +0100
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-02 21:18 +0100
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-02 13:40 -0700
                Re: for your languages Billy Mays <noway@nohow.com> - 2011-06-02 17:31 -0400
                Re: for your languages Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-06-03 10:39 -0700
                Re: for your languages James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-06-02 22:19 -0400
                Re: for your languages China Blue Angels <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-02 19:36 -0700
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-03 08:44 -0700
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-04 14:41 +0100
                Re: for your languages Angel <angel+news@spamcop.net> - 2011-06-04 16:31 +0000
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-04 09:51 -0700
                Re: for your languages Angel <angel+news@spamcop.net> - 2011-06-05 00:05 +0000
                Re: for your languages China Blue Angels <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-04 18:31 -0700
                Re: for your languages "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleuske@xs4all.nl> - 2011-06-04 10:02 -0700
                Re: for your languages cri@tiac.net (Richard Harter) - 2011-06-04 22:10 +0000
                Re: for your languages China Blue Angels <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-04 18:26 -0700
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-05 13:40 +0100
                Re: for your languages Angel <angel+news@spamcop.net> - 2011-06-05 15:47 +0000
                Re: for your languages "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleuske@xs4all.nl> - 2011-06-05 10:16 -0700
                Re: for your languages "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleuske@xs4all.nl> - 2011-06-05 10:30 -0700
                Re: for your languages Heikki Kallasjoki <see@end.of.message.invalid> - 2011-06-05 17:38 +0000
                Re: for your languages "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleuske@xs4all.nl> - 2011-06-05 10:49 -0700
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-04 09:50 -0700
                Re: for your languages Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-06-04 13:23 -0700
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-05 12:32 +0100
                Re: for your languages "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleuske@xs4all.nl> - 2011-06-05 07:15 -0700
                Re: for your languages "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-06-06 18:18 +0200
                Re: for your languages "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleuske@xs4all.nl> - 2011-06-06 11:40 -0700
                Re: for your languages "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-06-07 16:57 +0200
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-07 08:36 -0700
                Re: for your languages "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-06-07 18:19 +0200
                Re: for your languages "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-06-07 18:32 +0200
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-05 12:33 -0700
                Re: for your languages China Blue Angels <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-05 13:08 -0700
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-05 13:54 -0700
                Re: for your languages China Blue Angels <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-05 18:57 -0700
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-05 20:37 -0700
                Re: for your languages China Blue Angels <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-05 20:58 -0700
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-05 21:49 -0700
                Re: for your languages China Blue Angels <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-05 22:05 -0700
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-06 09:11 -0700
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-16 13:00 -0700
                Re: for your languages Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> - 2011-06-06 02:04 -0700
                Re: for your languages "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-06-06 10:21 +0100
                Re: for your languages "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-06-05 22:47 +0100
                Re: for your languages China Blue Angels <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-05 18:25 -0700
                Re: for your languages Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-06 13:41 +1200
                Re: for your languages "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-06-06 10:06 +0100
                Re: for your languages Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-06-06 15:39 +0000
                Re: for your languages Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-06-06 15:39 +0000
        Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-31 00:44 +0100
          Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-05-31 18:09 +0100
            Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-05-31 12:00 -0700
              Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-01 15:33 +0100
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-01 09:07 -0700
                Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-06-01 10:12 -0700
                Re: for your languages BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-01 12:45 -0700
                Re: for your languages "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2011-06-03 15:41 +0100
                Re: for your languages Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2011-06-05 13:30 +0100
                Re: for your languages Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-06-06 15:39 +0000
  Re: for your languages "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleuske@xs4all.nl> - 2011-05-28 03:34 -0700
    Re: for your languages "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-05-29 08:42 +0200
  Re: for your languages Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2011-05-29 01:00 +0200
    Re: for your languages Angel <angel+news@spamcop.net> - 2011-05-28 23:49 +0000
      Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-05-28 18:42 -0700
    Re: for your languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-05-28 18:42 -0700

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