Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs

From	human <noreplay@elfavo.com>
Newsgroups	comp.compression
Subject	Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs
Date	2011-05-10 16:45 +0200
Organization	humanity
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Thomas Richter wrote:
> 
> And, I neither care about arithmetic, simply on the basis that it never
> became popular, so it breaks programs (like it or not).

Some people, myself included, find it useful because they use modern
programs for this purpose...
In this particular case cjpeg -block 1 -rgb -arithmetic for lossless
image coding, the arithmetic option does not add another
incompatibility, because the block option requires a SmartScale
capable decoder anyway (>= v8) which then also includes arithmetic
coding.  That's why, whenever one uses a SmartScale feature
(jpegtran -scale or cjpeg -block), one can also give the
arithmetic option without further problem.

There is another reason: In the current SmartScale implementation,
for block sizes < 8, in the Huffman case the optimization is turned
on inside the library, which raises the memory usage considerably -
with block size 1, for every image sample a complete 8x8 DCT
coefficient block would be allocated.  That is horror if you know
that, but it was just the straightforward implementation.
So, because I know that, I avoid that by switch to arithmetic which
is always single scan adaptive and does not have that memory abuse...

ciao
human

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removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-03 13:32 +0300
  Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-03 13:53 +0200
    Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-03 16:09 +0100
      Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-03 18:10 +0200
        Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-03 18:32 +0200
  Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-03 06:22 -0700
    Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-05-03 18:03 +0300
      Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-05 04:18 -0700
        Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-05 13:35 +0200
          Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-06 00:23 -0700
            Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-06 14:24 +0200
              Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-06 20:33 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-08 09:52 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-08 15:27 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-08 17:55 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-08 07:56 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-08 18:44 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-08 10:21 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 10:51 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 11:49 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreply@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 12:06 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 15:29 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <gv@uc.ag> - 2011-05-09 16:03 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 22:01 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 23:24 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-10 16:45 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-09 04:15 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 14:26 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 15:51 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 21:09 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 22:28 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 23:06 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-10 17:34 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-12 15:01 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-09 09:40 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-09 20:23 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-09 22:37 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-10 02:27 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-10 05:01 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-12 15:51 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-13 05:07 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 14:39 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 15:39 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 16:36 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-13 08:52 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 19:00 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-13 10:07 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-13 17:25 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-13 10:06 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Pete Fraser <pfraser@covad.net> - 2011-05-13 18:17 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-14 09:16 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-14 10:07 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-14 19:52 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-14 21:08 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Guido Vollbeding <guido@jpegclub.org> - 2011-05-16 08:43 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-16 05:15 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-16 17:00 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-16 13:02 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2011-05-17 09:43 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Sebastian <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2011-05-19 02:55 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2011-05-20 13:23 +0200
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs Pete Fraser <pfraser@covad.net> - 2011-05-20 05:38 -0700
                Re: removing predictable crap from poor quality jpegs human <noreplay@elfavo.com> - 2011-05-12 20:15 +0200

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