Re: Why C has Pointers.

From	88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com>
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Subject	Re: Why C has Pointers.
Date	2012-01-10 01:03 -0800
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Nick Keighley於 2012年1月10日星期二UTC+8下午4時21分05秒寫道：
> for some reason "Dihedral" has revived this ancient topic
> 
> On Jan 9, 11:48 pm, 88888 Dihedral <dihedr...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > Barry Schwarz於 2011年12月18日星期日UTC+8上午2時10分09秒寫道：
> > > On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:51:33 -0800 (PST), 88888 Dihedral
> > > <dihe...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > >On Wednesday, December 7, 2011 8:22:56 PM UTC+8, curixinfotech wrote:
> 
> 
> > > >> my Q is on the c language tell me now why c has pointers.
> 
> you never explained why you wanted to know this or what sort answer
> would satisfy you.
> 
> 
> > > >OK, I'll explain how to use a pointer in C without any knowledge in the
> > > >hardware or assembly here.
> 
> and then you plummet into implementaion specifics like a fish into
> water...
> 
> > > >int i;
> > > >int a[3]={ 1,2,3} ; // an array of 3 integers
> > > >int* ptr1; // Note the star should be right after int, not initialize
> 
> this is an opinion not a fact. It is quite common (more common?) for C
> programmers to do the opposite of what you suggest.
> 
> > > >int* ptr2; // not initialized
> >
> > > >ptr1=a; // Read this as  to make ptr1 to be an alias of a.
> 
> no. Not really.
> 
> > > If that were true, the sizeof(a) and sizeof(ptr1) would be equal\
> 
> exactly. It also isn't an alias.
> 
> > Why do you care about the size of an array declared on the stack?
> 
> as usual dihedral inhabits a universe not co-terminus with our own.
> 
> becuase it might blow the stack? the point is 'ptr1' is NOT an alias
> for 'a' because **they have different behaviour***
> 
> Also, how do you know these identifiers refer to automatic variables?
> The indentation indicates otherwise.
> 
> > Everything on the stack is to be popped out in the exit of a function in C.
> 
> dihedral spouts irrelevence again
> 
> > But a pointer allocated in the heap is different.
> 
> why? The alias stuff nonsense no matter where they are allocated
> 
> > > which, in the general case, they are not.  ptr1 is simply a pointer
> > > that points to the start of a.  Even though they share some
> > > similarities in the language syntax, a pointer is a completely
> > > different type than an array.  Calling one an alias of the other just
> > > breeds unnecessary confusion.
> 
> yes
> 
> > A pointer defines an alias to a variable. Don't you get it in C or assembly?
> 
> just repeating nonsense doesn't make it true. Argument ad Goebbels

I am not interested to argue with ASSEMBLY IDIOTS.

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Why C has Pointers. curixinfotech <curixinfotech.54dl3z@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au> - 2011-12-07 07:22 -0500
  Re: Why C has Pointers. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-12-07 04:35 -0800
  Re: Why C has Pointers. Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-12-07 07:58 -0500
    Re: Why C has Pointers. Mike Manilone <zhtx10@gmail.com> - 2011-12-07 13:15 +0000
      Re: Why C has Pointers. Bill Reid <hormelfree@gmail.com> - 2011-12-08 06:29 -0800
  Re: Why C has Pointers. Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@hotmail.it> - 2011-12-07 14:50 +0100
    Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-07 11:01 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2011-12-07 20:49 +0100
      Re: Why C has Pointers. Brian <nospam@nospam.com> - 2011-12-07 20:00 +0000
        Re: Why C has Pointers. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-07 15:30 -0500
          Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-07 12:43 -0800
            Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-07 13:09 -0800
          Re: Why C has Pointers. Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@hotmail.it> - 2011-12-08 19:39 +0100
            Re: Why C has Pointers. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-08 14:16 -0500
              Re: Why C has Pointers. Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@hotmail.it> - 2011-12-08 20:23 +0100
    Re: Why C has Pointers. Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-07 20:48 +0000
      Re: Why C has Pointers. Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2011-12-07 22:07 +0100
      Re: Why C has Pointers. Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2011-12-10 07:34 +0000
  Re: Why C has Pointers. August Karlstrom <fusionfile@gmail.com> - 2011-12-07 16:16 +0100
  Re: Why C has Pointers. Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-08 18:32 +1100
    Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-08 00:20 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. André Gillibert <MetaEntropy.removeThis@gmail.com> - 2011-12-08 13:44 +0100
        Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-09 05:04 -0800
          Re: Why C has Pointers. gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2011-12-09 14:59 +0000
            Re: Why C has Pointers. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-12-09 20:19 -0800
            Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-10 07:36 -0800
  Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-08 00:12 -0800
  Re: Why C has Pointers. Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com> - 2011-12-15 07:26 +0000
  Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-17 08:51 -0800
    Re: Why C has Pointers. Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2011-12-17 10:10 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-17 14:28 -0600
        Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-17 15:00 -0600
        Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-17 13:55 -0800
          Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-17 18:27 -0600
            Re: Why C has Pointers. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-18 01:26 +0000
              Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-17 22:34 -0600
                Re: Why C has Pointers. "Philip Lantz" <prl@canterey.us> - 2011-12-17 23:48 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. superpollo <superpollo@tznvy.pbz> - 2011-12-18 11:06 +0100
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-18 13:44 +0000
                Re: Why C has Pointers. pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-12-18 11:05 -0500
                Re: Why C has Pointers. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-18 11:50 -0500
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-18 13:10 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-27 16:03 -0600
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2011-12-27 14:40 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-27 15:08 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-27 20:09 -0600
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-27 23:00 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-28 02:53 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-28 08:39 -0500
                Re: Why C has Pointers. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-27 18:14 -0500
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-27 15:36 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-27 18:53 -0500
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-28 13:20 +0000
                Re: Why C has Pointers. John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2011-12-28 08:42 -0800
              Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-17 20:36 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-18 04:56 +0000
                Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-17 21:37 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-18 05:42 +0000
                Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-18 08:08 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-12-18 10:36 -0600
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-18 18:50 +0000
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-19 02:39 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. gordonb.1i27q@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2011-12-21 22:34 -0600
                Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-19 07:56 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. John Tsiombikas <nuclear@member.fsf.org> - 2011-12-19 18:38 +0000
                Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-19 13:47 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-28 02:58 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-28 03:21 -0800
            Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-18 13:07 -0800
              Re: Why C has Pointers. "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-12-19 04:02 +0100
        Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-17 15:35 -0800
          Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-17 18:41 -0600
        Re: Why C has Pointers. John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 05:14 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-18 09:50 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-01-09 15:48 -0800
        Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-10 00:21 -0800
          Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-01-10 01:03 -0800
    Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-17 11:45 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-17 15:18 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-19 14:10 -0800
        Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-20 10:46 -0800
  Re: Why C has Pointers. "Skybuck Flying" <Windows7IsOK@DreamPC2006.com> - 2011-12-17 19:15 +0100
    Re: Why C has Pointers. "Skybuck Flying" <Windows7IsOK@DreamPC2006.com> - 2011-12-17 19:19 +0100
      Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-19 02:48 -0800
  Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-18 11:05 -0800
    Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-19 02:48 -0800

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