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Re: Why C has Pointers.

From Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Why C has Pointers.
Date 2011-12-18 13:10 -0800
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ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> writes:
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 01:26:59 +0000, Ben Bacarisse
> <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote:
[...]
>>It's not easy to explain the lower-level arithmetic without reference to
>>some particular machine.  For example, on a machine with, say, byte and
>>word addresses, you can't describe it as you have done.  By all means,
>>take a simple architecture and explain what a[0] means on one particular
>>system using addresses and size calculations, but you will also have to
>>explain, eventually, that arr[i] is, by definition, *(arr + i).
>>
>
> Sure it is because it ain't *(arr + i). It is ...

Yes, it is.  C99 6.5.2.1p2:

    The definition of the subscript operator [] is that E1[E2] is
    identical to (*((E1)+(E2))).

> *(arr + ( i * sizeof(datatype)))
>
> So for int arr[10];
> arr[5] is *(arr + (5 * sizeof(int)))
> byte arr[10];
> arr[5] is *(arr + (5 * sizeof(byte)))

You are using your own invented "+" operator that works in units of
byte, rather than the actual C "+" operator that works in units of the
size of the pointed-to type.  That's fine, but only if you explicitly
state that "+" doesn't mean what it means in C.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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Why C has Pointers. curixinfotech <curixinfotech.54dl3z@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au> - 2011-12-07 07:22 -0500
  Re: Why C has Pointers. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-12-07 04:35 -0800
  Re: Why C has Pointers. Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-12-07 07:58 -0500
    Re: Why C has Pointers. Mike Manilone <zhtx10@gmail.com> - 2011-12-07 13:15 +0000
      Re: Why C has Pointers. Bill Reid <hormelfree@gmail.com> - 2011-12-08 06:29 -0800
  Re: Why C has Pointers. Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@hotmail.it> - 2011-12-07 14:50 +0100
    Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-07 11:01 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2011-12-07 20:49 +0100
      Re: Why C has Pointers. Brian <nospam@nospam.com> - 2011-12-07 20:00 +0000
        Re: Why C has Pointers. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-07 15:30 -0500
          Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-07 12:43 -0800
            Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-07 13:09 -0800
          Re: Why C has Pointers. Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@hotmail.it> - 2011-12-08 19:39 +0100
            Re: Why C has Pointers. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-08 14:16 -0500
              Re: Why C has Pointers. Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@hotmail.it> - 2011-12-08 20:23 +0100
    Re: Why C has Pointers. Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-07 20:48 +0000
      Re: Why C has Pointers. Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2011-12-07 22:07 +0100
      Re: Why C has Pointers. Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2011-12-10 07:34 +0000
  Re: Why C has Pointers. August Karlstrom <fusionfile@gmail.com> - 2011-12-07 16:16 +0100
  Re: Why C has Pointers. Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-08 18:32 +1100
    Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-08 00:20 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. André Gillibert <MetaEntropy.removeThis@gmail.com> - 2011-12-08 13:44 +0100
        Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-09 05:04 -0800
          Re: Why C has Pointers. gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2011-12-09 14:59 +0000
            Re: Why C has Pointers. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-12-09 20:19 -0800
            Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-10 07:36 -0800
  Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-08 00:12 -0800
  Re: Why C has Pointers. Cong Wang <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com> - 2011-12-15 07:26 +0000
  Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-17 08:51 -0800
    Re: Why C has Pointers. Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2011-12-17 10:10 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-17 14:28 -0600
        Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-17 15:00 -0600
        Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-17 13:55 -0800
          Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-17 18:27 -0600
            Re: Why C has Pointers. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-18 01:26 +0000
              Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-17 22:34 -0600
                Re: Why C has Pointers. "Philip Lantz" <prl@canterey.us> - 2011-12-17 23:48 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. superpollo <superpollo@tznvy.pbz> - 2011-12-18 11:06 +0100
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-18 13:44 +0000
                Re: Why C has Pointers. pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2011-12-18 11:05 -0500
                Re: Why C has Pointers. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-18 11:50 -0500
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-18 13:10 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-27 16:03 -0600
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2011-12-27 14:40 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-27 15:08 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-27 20:09 -0600
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-27 23:00 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-28 02:53 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-28 08:39 -0500
                Re: Why C has Pointers. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-27 18:14 -0500
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-27 15:36 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-27 18:53 -0500
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-28 13:20 +0000
                Re: Why C has Pointers. John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2011-12-28 08:42 -0800
              Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-17 20:36 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-18 04:56 +0000
                Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-17 21:37 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-18 05:42 +0000
                Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-18 08:08 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2011-12-18 10:36 -0600
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-18 18:50 +0000
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-19 02:39 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. gordonb.1i27q@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2011-12-21 22:34 -0600
                Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-19 07:56 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. John Tsiombikas <nuclear@member.fsf.org> - 2011-12-19 18:38 +0000
                Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-19 13:47 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-28 02:58 -0800
                Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-28 03:21 -0800
            Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-18 13:07 -0800
              Re: Why C has Pointers. "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2011-12-19 04:02 +0100
        Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-17 15:35 -0800
          Re: Why C has Pointers. ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-17 18:41 -0600
        Re: Why C has Pointers. John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2011-12-19 05:14 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-18 09:50 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-01-09 15:48 -0800
        Re: Why C has Pointers. Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-10 00:21 -0800
          Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-01-10 01:03 -0800
    Re: Why C has Pointers. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-17 11:45 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-17 15:18 -0800
      Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-19 14:10 -0800
        Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-20 10:46 -0800
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    Re: Why C has Pointers. "Skybuck Flying" <Windows7IsOK@DreamPC2006.com> - 2011-12-17 19:19 +0100
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  Re: Why C has Pointers. 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-18 11:05 -0800
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