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Re: Are there electrons that are different?

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"James Birdy" wrote:

> */Odd Bodkin/* wrote:
>> On 8/22/2015 3:28 PM, James Birdy wrote:
>>> Are there electrons that are different? I hear stories that walking
>>> barefoot has surprisingly health benefits. As I understood,
>>> electrically, the insulator of the shoes taken away, the electrons from
>>> Earth are getting up into your system. Performing whatever beneficial
>>> as they did in old ages (millions of years). I mean, only humans are
>>> using shoes, which might be seen as a barrier for the free natural
>>> electrons (charge carriers)
>>
>> First of all, there is no evidence AFAIK that electrons passing from the
>> earth to the body have any health benefits. Secondly, skin is moist
>> and charge likes to remain on the surface of a conductor.

A common misconception.  The (human) skin would conduct electricity even if 
it were not moist (i.e., would not have inclusions of liquids) because it 
consists of other conductive materials.

>> Third, electrons only travel if there is a voltage difference between the
>> earth and the body,

This sentence becomes true if one replaces “voltage” with “charge” or 
“electric potential”.  Voltage is a measure of the energy required to move 
an electric charge in an electric field; it already *is* “the difference in 
electric potential energy between two points per unit electric charge.”
It is _not_ the cause of the motion; the difference in electric charge is.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage>

>> and I don't believe that walking barefoot establishes any voltage
>> difference.
> 
> That's the whole idea with phenomenon. I can't believe only Poutnik saw
> the problem.

Of course, walking barefoot also establishes a separation of charges between 
body and ground, i.e. static electricity.  But the subsequent discharge is 
easier and more effective because of the electrical conductivity of the 
skin.  Therefore, the resulting static electricity after a few barefoot 
steps is lower than with shoes with rubber soles on, if not zero.
 
>> So it sounds like some pseudo-scientific babbler has made a pitch for
> 
> No, you just proved insufficient and inadequate. The thing is that humans
> are living under an offset/excess of positive charges and polarisation.

No, humans that wear (rubber) shoes build up a deficiency of negatively 
charged particles; contrary to common belief (and simplification in 
electrical engineering), the positive charge(s) in a nucleus of an atom/ion 
bound in a molecule/crystal (that which human tissue consists of) is _not_ 
the moving charge (in a classical sense).

> Might be not much, but nevertheless existent and measurable.

And quite irrelevant to the health benefits of walking barefoot.  “Odd” had 
that part right, ’nym-shifting troll.

I would add that not only walking barefoot causes muscles, tendons and 
ligaments to be used that would otherwise not be used, but it also 
stimulates nerve cells that would otherwise not be stimulated (in the same 
way); this is why humans usually find walking barefoot (or a foot massage, 
or prolonged running) pleasant, as endorphins are being produced to have 
that effect as result of that stimulation.  So apart from the physical 
exercise, there is also a psychological health benefit.

[As with everything, with not too much of it.  But if you think about it, 
this may have been an evolutionary advantage once.  Walking barefoot can 
also be painful depending on the terrain (e.g. pointed or hot stones, 
animals that sting or bite you, icy land, and the physical wear), but if the 
pain were offset by production of endorphins you could bear all that and 
walk longer distances, reach food and land that less adaptive members of 
your species could not reach, which improved your chance to procreate.]

Also, but less significant considering the area involved, exposing the skin 
of the foot (and maybe the leg) to sunlight increases the chance for 
significant UVB exposure which allows the dermal synthesis of vitamin D.
 
> Buy a brain, then repost.

Same to you.  And get *one* *real* name while you are at it.


PointedEars
-- 
“Science is empirical: knowing the answer means nothing;
 testing your knowledge means everything.”
   —Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss, theoretical physicist,
    in “A Universe from Nothing” (2009)

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  Re: Are there electrons that are different? James Birdy <jamesb@barefootwalking.org> - 2015-08-22 20:34 +0000
    Re: Are there electrons that are different? James Birdy <jamesb@barefootwalking.org> - 2015-08-22 20:41 +0000
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    Re: Are there electrons that are different? James Birdy <jamesb@barefootwalking.org> - 2015-08-22 20:54 +0000
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        Re: Are there electrons that are different? James Birdy <jamesb@barefootwalking.org> - 2015-08-22 21:22 +0000
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          Re: Are there electrons that are different? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-24 18:17 +0200
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                Re: Are there electrons that are different? James Birdy <jamesb@barefootwalking.org> - 2015-08-24 18:50 +0000
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      Re: Are there electrons that are different? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-23 01:54 +0200
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        Re: Are there electrons that are different? James Birdy <jamesb@barefootwalking.org> - 2015-08-24 18:44 +0000
          Re: Are there electrons that are different? jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-08-24 19:25 +0000
          Re: Are there electrons that are different? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-24 16:18 -0400
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    Re: Are there electrons that are different? James Birdy <jamesb@barefootwalking.org> - 2015-08-24 14:18 +0000
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          Re: Are there electrons that are different? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-24 21:59 +0200
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      Re: Are there electrons that are different? James Birdy <jamesb@barefootwalking.org> - 2015-08-24 16:09 +0000
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            Re: Are there electrons that are different? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-24 18:50 +0200
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