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Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete?

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On Monday, December 12, 2011 11:00:25 PM UTC+8, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Keith Thompson <ks...@mib.org> writes:
> 
> > ralph <nt_cons...@yahoo.net> writes:
> >> On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:11:33 -0500, Eric Sosman
> >> <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote:
> > [...]
> >>>
> >>>     You encountered "ANSI style" compilers in the "early 80s?" Six,
> >>>seven, eight years before the Standard became final?  That's some
> >>>pretty impressive tea-leaf reading ...
> >>>
> >>
> >> I can appreciate your disbelief especially if one might be used to
> >> today's environment where the usual process is to develop a "standard"
> >> and then sit back and watch various vendors move to support the new
> >> standard.
> >>
> >> Such was not the case with C. In computer-years an official 'standard'
> >> was a long, long time coming. I started using C in 1977 (a year before
> >> they published the book. <g>) There wasn't a 'Standard' till 1986.
> >> That was almost 10 years since I started, and ~15 years after it was
> >> invented.
> >>
> >> Do you seriously believe the vendors sat still all that time waiting?
> >
> > The first ANSI C standard was issued in 1989, not 1986.  Are you
> > referring to something else that happened in 1986?
> 
> Several websites refer to a Draft Proposed Standard issued sometime
> around 1985/86 intended to gave implementers a "heads up".  The only one
> I can recall was a sort of final draft issued in 1988, after noalias was
> nixed.  If there was a widely distributed draft in 85/86 it would be
> very interesting see it.
> 
> > I know that the C community was eager to see the new ANSI C standard,
> > and that part of were implemented before the standard itself was
> > released.  I don't have a clear idea of what the time scale was.
> 
> I seem to recall K&R saying that the code in K&R II was tested using
> cfront (early C++) because an ANSI compiler was not available at the
> time (probably 1987 since the book came out in 1988).
> 
> Maybe they were unaware of compilers that Ralf was aware of in the PC
> world.  Of course, no 1985 compiler can be "ANSI C" in the technical
> sense, but as a result of good guessing and guidance from having people
> on the committee it's just possible they exactly anticipated the
> eventual standard.
> 
> <snip>
> -- 
> Ben.

That was the Pascal and Fortran era in 198x. 
There are p2c and f2c available, thus a lot people just switched programming 
in C. 

But nowadays the 3rd generation of programming language is somewhat
not going anywhere in developing artificial intelligent systems. 
  

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When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2011-12-10 18:23 +0000
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-10 18:41 +0000
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-10 10:40 -0800
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-11 07:49 +1300
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2011-12-10 10:49 -0800
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2011-12-10 21:16 +0000
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2011-12-12 11:29 +0000
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-12 03:49 -0800
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-12 15:04 +0000
        Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2011-12-13 10:42 +0000
          Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-13 13:58 +0000
            Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? "Scott Fluhrer" <sfluhrer@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-12-13 10:17 -0500
              Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-13 12:04 -0600
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-13 18:17 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-13 15:17 -0600
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-13 21:46 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-13 22:04 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2011-12-13 23:07 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-13 23:23 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-14 00:26 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) - 2011-12-13 15:22 -0800
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-13 15:27 -0800
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2011-12-14 09:33 +0000
              Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-13 19:49 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? "Scott Fluhrer" <sfluhrer@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-12-13 14:54 -0500
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? luser- -droog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2011-12-20 02:28 -0800
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-10 13:48 -0800
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-10 21:48 -0800
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ralph Spitzner <rasp@spitzner.org> - 2011-12-11 04:16 +0100
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-10 21:54 -0800
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-10 22:27 -0600
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-11 12:56 +0000
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-12-11 09:11 -0500
        Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-11 21:40 -0600
          Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-12 00:05 -0800
            Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-12 15:00 +0000
              Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-12 07:18 -0800
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-13 00:55 -0800
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-13 07:50 -0800
              Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-12 11:15 -0600
            Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-12 11:17 -0600
              Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2011-12-12 21:57 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-12-12 18:15 -0500
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-11 15:10 -0600
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-11 09:17 -0500
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-11 06:53 -0800
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-12 00:08 -0800
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2011-12-12 11:59 +0000
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-12 07:47 -0500
        Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-12 11:59 -0800
          Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-12-12 18:17 -0500
            Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-12 15:43 -0800
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? André Gillibert <MetaEntropy.removeThis@gmail.com> - 2011-12-12 13:49 +0100
        Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-12 05:25 -0800
          Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? André Gillibert <MetaEntropy.removeThis@gmail.com> - 2011-12-12 14:35 +0100
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-12 15:21 +0000
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Jonathan Leffler <jleffler@earthlink.net> - 2011-12-13 22:19 -0800
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-14 02:54 -0800
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-14 13:17 -0800

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