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Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete?

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On Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:55:40 PM UTC+8, Nick Keighley wrote:
> On Dec 12, 3:18 pm, 88888 Dihedral <dihedr...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Monday, December 12, 2011 11:00:25 PM UTC+8, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> > > Keith Thompson <ks...@mib.org> writes:
> > > > ralph <nt_co...@yahoo.net> writes:
> > > >> On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:11:33 -0500, Eric Sosman
> > > >> <esos...@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > > > I know that the C community was eager to see the new ANSI C standard,
> > > > and that part of were implemented before the standard itself was
> > > > released.  I don't have a clear idea of what the time scale was.
> >
> > > I seem to recall K&R saying that the code in K&R II was tested using
> > > cfront (early C++) because an ANSI compiler was not available at the
> > > time (probably 1987 since the book came out in 1988).
> >
> > > Maybe they were unaware of compilers that Ralf was aware of in the PC
> > > world.  Of course, no 1985 compiler can be "ANSI C" in the technical
> > > sense, but as a result of good guessing and guidance from having people
> > > on the committee it's just possible they exactly anticipated the
> > > eventual standard.
> >
> > That was the Pascal and Fortran era in 198x.
> > There are p2c and f2c available, thus a lot people just switched programming
> > in C.
> 
> I don't think p2c and f2c had much influence (I was looking for
> CORAL66toc myself)
> 
> > But nowadays the 3rd generation of programming language[s]
> 
> how do you count generations?
> 
> 1. FORTRAN, COBOL, ALGOL, LISP
> 2. Pascal, Occam, Ada, C, C++
> 3. Java, Perl, Python, Ruby, C#
> 

1st generation: Just pure machine instructions without any macro or library 
or pseudo instructions. This is somewhat like the relay era long time ago. 

2nd generation: assembler with enhanced tools 

3rd generation: algol family, basic, fortran, pascal, c .....  
 // modular and structure with algorithms 

4th: forth, c++, object pascal, lisp // object oriented  

5th: python, ruby, erlang, perl..... //generic, object, system level   

This is a personal classification of various computer languages. 

> where do Scheme, Snobol, Haskell, Prolog go?

4-6 gen mixed, some languages were just experiments and were not popular 
enough to gain millions of users

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When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2011-12-10 18:23 +0000
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-10 18:41 +0000
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-10 10:40 -0800
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-11 07:49 +1300
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Pfaff <blp@cs.stanford.edu> - 2011-12-10 10:49 -0800
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2011-12-10 21:16 +0000
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2011-12-12 11:29 +0000
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-12 03:49 -0800
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-12 15:04 +0000
        Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2011-12-13 10:42 +0000
          Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-13 13:58 +0000
            Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? "Scott Fluhrer" <sfluhrer@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-12-13 10:17 -0500
              Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-13 12:04 -0600
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-13 18:17 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-13 15:17 -0600
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-13 21:46 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-13 22:04 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2011-12-13 23:07 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-12-13 23:23 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-14 00:26 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? blp@cs.stanford.edu (Ben Pfaff) - 2011-12-13 15:22 -0800
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-13 15:27 -0800
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2011-12-14 09:33 +0000
              Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-13 19:49 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? "Scott Fluhrer" <sfluhrer@ix.netcom.com> - 2011-12-13 14:54 -0500
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? luser- -droog <mijoryx@yahoo.com> - 2011-12-20 02:28 -0800
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-10 13:48 -0800
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-10 21:48 -0800
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ralph Spitzner <rasp@spitzner.org> - 2011-12-11 04:16 +0100
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-10 21:54 -0800
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-10 22:27 -0600
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-11 12:56 +0000
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-12-11 09:11 -0500
        Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-11 21:40 -0600
          Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-12 00:05 -0800
            Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-12 15:00 +0000
              Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-12 07:18 -0800
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-13 00:55 -0800
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-13 07:50 -0800
              Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-12 11:15 -0600
            Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-12 11:17 -0600
              Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2011-12-12 21:57 +0000
                Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-12-12 18:15 -0500
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> - 2011-12-11 15:10 -0600
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-11 09:17 -0500
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-11 06:53 -0800
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-12 00:08 -0800
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2011-12-12 11:59 +0000
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-12 07:47 -0500
        Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-12 11:59 -0800
          Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-12-12 18:17 -0500
            Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-12 15:43 -0800
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? André Gillibert <MetaEntropy.removeThis@gmail.com> - 2011-12-12 13:49 +0100
        Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-12 05:25 -0800
          Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? André Gillibert <MetaEntropy.removeThis@gmail.com> - 2011-12-12 14:35 +0100
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-12 15:21 +0000
  Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Jonathan Leffler <jleffler@earthlink.net> - 2011-12-13 22:19 -0800
    Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-14 02:54 -0800
      Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-14 13:17 -0800

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