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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? |
| Date | 2011-12-12 00:05 -0800 |
| Organization | None to speak of |
| Message-ID | <ln4nx69pv1.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org> (permalink) |
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ralph <nt_consulting64@yahoo.net> writes:
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:11:33 -0500, Eric Sosman
> <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> wrote:
[...]
>>
>> You encountered "ANSI style" compilers in the "early 80s?" Six,
>>seven, eight years before the Standard became final? That's some
>>pretty impressive tea-leaf reading ...
>>
>
> I can appreciate your disbelief especially if one might be used to
> today's environment where the usual process is to develop a "standard"
> and then sit back and watch various vendors move to support the new
> standard.
>
> Such was not the case with C. In computer-years an official 'standard'
> was a long, long time coming. I started using C in 1977 (a year before
> they published the book. <g>) There wasn't a 'Standard' till 1986.
> That was almost 10 years since I started, and ~15 years after it was
> invented.
>
> Do you seriously believe the vendors sat still all that time waiting?
The first ANSI C standard was issued in 1989, not 1986. Are you
referring to something else that happened in 1986?
I know that the C community was eager to see the new ANSI C standard,
and that part of were implemented before the standard itself was
released. I don't have a clear idea of what the time scale was.
[...]
> The "-noalias" option was one of the latter ideas. Don't know if I
> ever used a compiler that offered that keyword. I only know I never
> used it. I vaguely remember it as an optimizing option, but believe it
> applied to whole code blocks not to any one variable.
We're not talking about a "-noalias" option. Early drafts
of the ANSI C standard include a "noalias" keyword. (I think
C99's "restrict" keyword is a redesigned version of the concept.)
Dennis Ritchie posted his opinion of it in this newsgroup in March
1988 <http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/dmr-on-noalias.html>:
Noalias must go. This is non-negotiable.
It must not be reworded, reformulated or reinvented. The draft's
description is badly flawed, but that is not the problem.
The concept is wrong from start to finish. It negates
every brave promise X3J11 ever made about codifying existing
practices, preserving the existing body of code, and keeping
(dare I say it?) `the spirit of C.'
[...]
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Will write code for food.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2011-12-10 18:23 +0000
Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2011-12-10 18:41 +0000
Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-10 10:40 -0800
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Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-11 12:56 +0000
Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-12-11 09:11 -0500
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Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2011-12-12 15:00 +0000
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Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2011-12-13 00:55 -0800
Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-13 07:50 -0800
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Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? jgk@panix.com (Joe keane) - 2011-12-12 21:57 +0000
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Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2011-12-11 06:53 -0800
Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-12 00:08 -0800
Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2011-12-12 11:59 +0000
Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-12-12 07:47 -0500
Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-12 11:59 -0800
Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-12-12 18:17 -0500
Re: When did K&R function declarations become obsolete? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-12-12 15:43 -0800
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