Re: Any Rosetta rumors?

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Any Rosetta rumors?
Date	2013-10-30 00:48 -0400
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In article <l4q1n8$kol$1@dont-email.me>, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca>
wrote:

> > apple didn't license snow leopard client for virtual machines. you need
> > os x server for that, at least to be legal. it can be circumvented but
> > then you're breaking the license agreement. 
> 
> That's a myth. The VM companies don't support the installation of 
> non-Server versions of OS X into their virtual machines. 

it's not a myth. they disallow it because of the licensing issue.

> The reason why 
> they don't is a matter between them and Apple and is not known to the 
> general public. The end user license agreement, which is what you and I 
> need to be concerned with, contains no such restriction.

the reason is available to the public, and it's in the license
agreement:

snow leopard -
  2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.
  A. Single Use License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this
  License, unless you have purchased a Family Pack or Upgrade license
  for the Apple Software, you are granted a limited non-exclusive
  license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on
  a single Apple- branded computer at a time. You agree not to install,
  use or run the Apple Software on any non- Apple-branded computer, or
  to enable others to do so. This License does not allow the Apple
  Software to exist on more than one computer at a time, and you may
  not make the Apple Software available over a network where it could
  be used by multiple computers at the same time.

snow leopard server -
  2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions. A. Mac OS X Server
  Software. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you
  are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install and use one
  copy of the Mac OS X Server software (the ³Mac OS X Server Software²)
  on a single Apple-branded computer. You may also install and use
  other copies of Mac OS X Server Software on the same Apple-branded
  computer, provided that you acquire an individual and valid license
  from Apple for each of these other copies of Mac OS X Server
  Software. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple Software on
  any non-Apple-branded computer, or to enable others to do so. This
  License does not allow the Mac OS X Server Software to run on.

note the difference of the following clause in snow leopard server:
  You may also install and use other copies of Mac OS X Server Software
  on the same Apple-branded computer, provided that you acquire an
  individual and valid license from Apple for each of these other
  copies of Mac OS X Server Software.

running os in vmware/parallels is installing 'other copies' on the
'same apple-branded computer'.

no such clause exists in snow leopard client.

lion adds this clause to client, section 2b, for mac app store licensed
copies:
  (iii) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or
  instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system
  environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already
  running the Apple Software.

it goes on to clarify:
  The grant set forth in Section 2B(iii) above does not permit you to
  use the virtualized copies or instances of the Apple Software in
  connection with service bureau, time-sharing, terminal sharing or
  other similar types of services.

> Snow Leopard Server can now be bought for $20 from Apple, so there's 
> little reason anymore to jerry-rig Snow Leopard client into a VM.

until it's no longer available.

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Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 14:07 -0500
  Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 15:13 -0400
    Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 15:06 -0500
      Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 16:22 -0400
        Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 16:35 -0500
          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 18:11 -0400
            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 17:35 -0500
            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-30 17:00 -0400
              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-30 17:09 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-30 17:29 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-30 17:36 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-30 19:54 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-30 20:04 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-30 20:10 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-30 19:05 -0500
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-30 20:12 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-30 22:05 -0500
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-30 19:58 -0700
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                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-31 00:02 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 18:26 +1300
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            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 19:27 -0400
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            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-29 19:32 -0400
              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 18:59 -0500
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-29 20:23 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-29 20:30 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 19:38 -0500
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 21:03 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:31 +1300
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                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:21 +1300
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                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 13:03 +1300
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          Re: Any Rosetta rumors? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-30 12:11 +1300
            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-29 18:57 -0500
              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:11 +1300
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? "Ted L." <tedl719@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-30 07:54 -0500
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:15 +1300
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-31 00:31 +0000
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 15:19 +1300
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-30 19:50 -0700
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-30 22:14 -0500
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-31 01:04 -0700
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-31 21:54 +1300
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 05:23 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-11-01 00:30 -0700
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-01 07:03 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-02 10:29 +1300
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                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 05:24 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-31 09:25 -0400
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            Re: Any Rosetta rumors? RRansil <ransil@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-29 19:40 -0700
              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 22:45 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-30 04:25 +0000
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-30 00:48 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-30 12:54 +0000
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-30 13:33 -0400
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                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 02:57 -0400
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-31 14:31 +0000
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              Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-30 04:27 +0000
                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-30 09:15 -0400
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