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Re: Any Rosetta rumors?

From me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király)
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Any Rosetta rumors?
Date 2013-11-01 13:47 +0000
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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> i already did. if you are confused by legalese, consult a lawyer to
> interpret it.

Nice try, but no. You failed.

> > I never said there's no legal reason preventing them from doing so, so 
> > quit putting those words into my mouth. 
> 
> then why don't they do it?

Because there may be legal resons preventing from from doing so.
 
> if the user supposedly is allowed to, why have they decided to not
> offer a feature the user is entitled to?

Because there may be legal resons preventing THEM from doing so. Not the 
END USER. THEM.
 
> you keep saying it's completely legal, yet more than one company
> disagrees.

Wrong again. None of the VM companies nor Apple has ever said that the 
reason they don't support Snow Leopard Client is because the END USER 
license agreement says it's not allowed. Somebody started that rumour as 
a possible explanation as to why Snow Leopard client VMs are 
unsupported, and the rumor has grown to be one of the most pervasive 
myths in modern Apple history. Not one shred of evidence, much less any 
proof, exists in the 10.6 client end user license agreement that running 
it in a VM on Apple hardware is not allowed.

> what would prevent them from offering a feature the user is entitled to
> do?? why would they even agree to that?
> 
> it makes no sense.

Most likely it's because one of Apple's conditions in licensing them the 
boot ROM code is that they do not support Snow Leopard Client VMs.
 
> what does make sense is the eula says you can't

No it doesn't. What you quoted before doesn't support your argument in 
the slightest way.

> and apple doesn't want them doing something that lets the user breaks 
> it.

Apple very likely doesn't want people running Snow Leopard Client in 
virtual machines, but since they neglected to include a prohibition 
against it in the SLA, requiring the VM companies to not support is 
their version of closing the barn door after the horses have run out.

> > Understand the difference between the END USER license agreement and the 
> > OTHER one between Apple and the VM companies. The latter, not the 
> > former, governs what Apple OS the VM companies are licensed to support.
> 
> that does not matter.

It matters fully. What the end user can do with OS X is governed solely 
and fully by the end user license agreement, not by any agreement made 
between two other parties.

> if there is nothing stopping the user from doing it, why would anyone
> agree to such an agreement??

Because the VM companies accepted it as good deal. If by blocking 10.5 
and 10.6 client, they could obtain a license to use the boot ROM code to 
support 10.5 and 10.6 Server, and all versions of 10.7, 10.8. and 10.9, 
it makes perfect sense.

Anyway, you have demonstrated in countless threads that you will argue a 
point to death even when you're wrong, so I'm done with you. Enjoy the 
last word if you wish.

-- 
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

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                Re: Any Rosetta rumors? me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-30 12:54 +0000
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