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Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy

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Date 2016-07-11 12:09 -0700
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Subject Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy
From jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com>

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Yousuf Khan wrote about LIGO Lasers ...

Its an odd admission by the 'Einstein Institute'(?). Considering you would think 
they would not want to  support any criticism of a so called verification 
of relativity theory. Then again I suppose they couldnt refuse a legitimate request
from Danzmann.
The letter is at the following site which I got from petchos post...

http://principia-scientific.org/

http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fprincipia-scientific.org%2Fopen-letter-to-the-nobel-committee-for-physics-2016%2F&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFufOzEbwJi1mdtUNWEbPkF1xa7eA 

And a section is copied and pasted below. My understanding us that the complaint is that
there is no data on whether or not a *test* of LIGO setup has been actually conducted
succesfully. Casting doubt on claims that a gravitational wave of this strength could
be detected seeing as a test calibration that was claimed to have been performed
has not actually been performed. Hence the use of the word " fraudulent " I suppose. 

"... detector output is calibrated in strain by measuring its response to test mass motion induced by photon pressure from a modulated calibration laser beam [63].” Ref. [63] is an unpublished e-print describing the calibration method by radiation pressure.

Formula (10) gives the calculable connection between displacement and the radiation power of an auxiliary laser shining on the mirror. Unfortunately no data are given as to the laser power, wave form, number of oscillations in order to compare with the documented effect that was exerted on the mirrors by the wave GW150914, as displayed in the “discovery paper”.

An enquiry with the Albert Einstein Institut revealed that such data do not exist. Prof. Karsten Danzmann declared that the calibration procedure is much more complicated than could be expected from the announcement in the discovery paper (http://www.kritikrelativitaetstheorie.de/Anhaenge/Anfrage%20LIGO-Experiment.pdf , document 13).

In order to understand it, one would need to study lengthy technical documents such as arXiv:1007.3973v1 [gr-qc] 22 Jul 2010 which, however, does not present either a calibration curve “mirror displacement versus laser power”. In view of this statement one must conclude that an experimental proof for the claimed accuracy of the system does not exist, certainly none which is intelligible and could be accepted by the scientific public.

It would be easy to move the mirrors by radiation pressure similarly as the gravitational wave did on 15-09-14 , but no data have been published since then that would document this calibration measurement. In view of Prof. Danzmann’s statement one must suspect that LIGO was not calibrated as announced in the discovery paper with the consequence that the claim having detected a gravitational wave is not (valid).."

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  Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 01:09 -0700
    Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:53 -0500
      Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 06:08 -0700
        Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:00 -0500
          Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:17 -0700
            Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:40 -0500
              Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:23 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:04 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:24 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:28 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:23 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:59 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:33 -0700
              Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:28 -0700
            Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 18:29 +0000
              Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 11:33 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:04 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:06 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:13 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:24 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 08:29 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 07:06 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 09:06 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 07:42 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 09:46 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 09:52 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:02 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 10:16 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 11:49 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 14:38 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 13:11 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 16:31 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 14:40 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 17:02 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 15:22 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:51 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 17:56 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 20:01 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-13 18:17 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:55 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:34 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-14 14:17 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 16:46 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-14 14:57 -0700
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                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 05:12 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:35 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 15:27 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 19:53 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 01:51 +0000
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 18:58 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 02:20 +0000
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                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 02:43 +0000
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 22:06 -0700
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                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:14 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:12 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 23:06 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:31 -0700
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                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:33 -0500
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:23 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:26 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 23:01 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 05:03 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 19:52 +0000
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:41 -0700
                Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 08:22 -0700
  Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-07-11 11:37 -0400
    Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:09 -0700
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  Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-11 13:37 -0700
  Re: Trouble in LIGO FraudLand. Not Everybody Is Happy "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 17:01 -0700
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