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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy?

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In article <d1cr4jFfpivU1@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> > >   True, but that doesn't make it right for the receiver to pay, just
> > > because the caller wants to call hir. 
> > 
> > sure it does, because the receiver chose to use his/her cellphone.
> 
>   They didn't 'choose' their cellphone. 'choose' implies there *is* a
> choice, most of the time there isn't.

yes they did.

>   But - once again - you managed to dodge and divert: The *point* is
> that the *caller* decided to call the receiver. The receiver had no
> choice in the matter. (And don't bother to come up with your bull that
> the receiver could choose to not answer the call.)

the caller should pay the same rate, regardless of the recipient's
choice of phone. 

if the recipient uses a cellphone then they should pay associated
airtime. not the caller.

> > > > > In Europe, it seems, in general, that to RECEIVE a phone call on
> > > > > a local SIM card doesn't cost them anything on a cell phone. 
> > > > 
> > > > however, there's a surcharge for calling a mobile phone versus a
> > > > landline.
> > > 
> > >   It's not a surcharge, but different pricing. 
> > 
> > word games.
> 
>   No, a surcharge is a *seperate*  extra cost.

word games.

at the end of the day, it costs more to call a mobile number. whether
that charge is itemized or not makes no difference whatsoever. 



> > there is no reason to burden the caller to find out what type of phone
> > the recipient is using.
> 
>   That 'burden' only exists in the US. In the rest of the world, there
> *is* no such burden, because it's clear from the number whether or not
> it's a mobile phone number.

which discriminates against those who use a mobile number because
callers will have to pay more.

that puts businesses at a disadvantage if they want to publish a mobile
number, such as a repairman who is always on the road fixing things.

in the usa, everyone is on an even playing field. a customer is just as
likely to call joe's fixit cellphone as he is bob's fixit landline
because there is no additional fees.

with mobile costing extra, a potential customer might choose to call
bob first because it's cheaper.

> > if the recipient uses a phone that incurs additional charges they
> > should be the one to pay them.
> 
>   And they do, if these charges are beyond the control/knowledge of the
> caller.
> 
>   In the US, the caller is protected, because they can't reasonably know
> what's on the other end.

exactly how it should be. 

why should the caller pay for the type of phone the recipient uses?
they should not.

>   In the rest of the world, that problem does not exists, so the caller
> is charged according to *hir* choice.

which puts anyone on a mobile phone at a disadvantage. 

the usa does it properly. everyone else got it *wrong*.

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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-22 20:22 +0000
  Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-22 18:54 -0400
    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 10:20 +1000
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 14:16 +1000
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-23 01:08 -0400
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 15:18 +1000
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 10:11 +1000
    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-23 18:46 +0000
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:45 -0400
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 14:14 +1000
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-27 17:33 -0400
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 08:41 +1000
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 10:36 +0200
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-28 20:29 +0000
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? madodel ptd News <madodel@ptd.net> - 2015-07-29 13:55 -0400

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