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Re: Question about wildcards in Unix

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In article <htbnz6w4fw.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
> 
> > In article <8ffvoiz4n2.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
> > <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > > If it takes an hour to find out the correct invocation of a command, you
> > > > might still call the shell powerfull, but is it usefull?
> > > 
> > > The more powerful a tool is, the longer it generally takes to learn
> > > how to use it fluently.
> > 
> > not if it's designed well. 
> 
> A powerful tool designed well is harder to learn how to use than a
> more limited tool designed well.

A powerful tool designed well should be no harder to use for simple
things than a simple tool that can only do those simple things. And if
that is the case, the user is thereby encouraged to explore a bit and
eventually learn to use the tool for more complex actions.

> > powerful does not mean complicated.
> 
> Correct.  But as a rule tool that can do many different things is
> going to be harder to understand and use than a tool that can just do
> one thing.

But it shouldn't be *that* much harder.

> > in fact, it's the opposite. easy to use is when something is powerful
> > because it empowers more people to be able to do more things, rather
> > than throw up their hands and give up in frustration.
> 
> The unix shell has empowered me to do a _lot_ of things.  Tim threw up
> his hands in frustration because he didn't actually need it - he had
> other tools that were better suited.  That's a good thing.

There's quite a lot in TW that I don't use, and guess what, for the
things that I do use it for, it behaves pretty identically to notepad,
a much simpler tool.

> w

Which tool give you this? :-)

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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Question about wildcards in Unix JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 17:19 -0500
  Re: Question about wildcards in Unix Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2014-01-19 14:42 -0800
  Re: Question about wildcards in Unix Joanna Shuttleworth <js@example.com> - 2014-01-19 22:46 +0000
    Re: Question about wildcards in Unix JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 18:16 -0500
      Re: Question about wildcards in Unix dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-20 12:43 +1300
        Re: Question about wildcards in Unix nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 19:02 -0500
          Re: Question about wildcards in Unix dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-01-20 17:41 +1300
        Re: Question about wildcards in Unix JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-19 19:55 -0500
          Re: Question about wildcards in Unix Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 03:00 +0000
          Re: Question about wildcards in Unix mcarels@xs4all.nl (Maarten Carels) - 2014-01-20 10:05 +0100
            Re: Question about wildcards in Unix Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 09:49 +0000
              Re: Question about wildcards in Unix Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 12:57 -0800
                Re: Question about wildcards in Unix JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-20 16:15 -0500
                Re: Question about wildcards in Unix Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 14:10 -0800
                Re: Question about wildcards in Unix Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-20 23:06 +0000
                Re: Question about wildcards in Unix Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:39 -0800
                Re: Question about wildcards in Unix nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-20 18:44 -0500
                Re: Question about wildcards in Unix Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 16:42 -0800
                Re: Question about wildcards in Unix Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-01-21 10:23 +0000
            Re: Question about wildcards in Unix Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-20 18:43 +0000
      Re: Question about wildcards in Unix Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2014-01-20 12:55 -0800

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