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Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz

From Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com>
Newsgroups comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math, comp.ai.philosophy
Subject Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz
Date 2025-10-23 23:55 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <20251023165017.944@kylheku.com> (permalink)
References (23 earlier) <10dbhc6$tibf$1@dont-email.me> <20251022155918.251@kylheku.com> <10de907$26gqk$1@dont-email.me> <10deat2$272lc$1@dont-email.me> <10debce$277k1$1@dont-email.me>

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On 2025-10-23, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/23/2025 5:40 PM, dbush wrote:
>> On 10/23/2025 6:08 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 10/22/2025 6:01 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>> On 2025-10-22, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/22/2025 3:20 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-10-22, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/22/2025 2:52 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-10-22, André G  Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-10-22 12:40, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> But that entire bundle is one fixed case DD, with a single 
>>>>>>>>>> behavior,
>>>>>>>>>> which is a property of DD, which is a finite string.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think part of the problem here is that Olcott doesn't grasp 
>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>> "finite string input" DD *must* include as a substring the entire
>>>>>>>>> description of HHH.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Furthermore, he doesn't get that it doesn't literally have to be 
>>>>>>>> HHH,
>>>>>>>> but the same algorithm: a workalike.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The HHH analyzing DD's halting could be in C, while the HHH
>>>>>>>> called by DD could be in Python.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DD does call HHH(DD) in recursive simulation
>>>>>>> and you try to get away with lying about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm saying that's not a requirement in the halting problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DD does not have to use that implementation of HHH; it can have
>>>>>> its own clean-room implementation and it can be in any language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But nonetheless, yes, there will still be a nested simulation tower.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I made sure to read what you said all the way through
>>>>> this time. DD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>>>> reach its own final halt state no matter what HHH does.
>>>>
>>>> The /simulation/ of DD by HHH will not /reproduce/ the halt
>>>> state of DD, which DD undeniably /has/.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The finite string as an actual input to HHH(DD)
>> 
>> i.e. finite string DD which is the description of machine DD and 
>> therefore is stipulated to specify all semantic properties of the 
>> described machine, including halting when executed directly.
>> 
>>> *does not have the halting property*
>> 
>> False, see above.>
>>> Turing machine deciders only compute the mapping
>>> from their finite string inputs
>> 
>> And the finite string input DD has the halting property as show above.
>> 
>>>
>>> Turing machine deciders only compute the mapping
>>> from their finite string inputs
>>>
>>> Turing machine deciders only compute the mapping
>>> from their finite string inputs
>>>
>>> The DD that has the halting property 
>> 
>> i.e. finite string DD which is an input to HH
>> 
>>> is not an input
>> False, see above.
>
> Correct simulation is defined as simulation
> according to the semantics of the specification
> language: C, x86 or TM description.

Correct simulation must continue while the
final instruction has not been reached.

The correct simulation of a non-terminating machine
never stops.

The correct simulation of a terminating machine
must reach its halt state.

> The execution trace of DD correctly simulated
> by HHH differs from the execution trace of
> DD correctly simulated HHH1 proving that I
> am right and you are stupid or dishonest.

Someone idenfiable as an engineer, and not necessarily even
a great one, will immediately know that if two simulations
(of a deterministic program that has a single behavior)
do not agree, /at most/ one of them can be called "correct".

They could be both wrong, but they cannot be both right.

If you think so, then obviously you must be stupid
or dishonest.

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    Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-19 19:39 +0000
      Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 10:28 -0500
        Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-20 18:29 +0000
          Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 15:32 -0500
            Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-20 21:03 +0000
              Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 18:58 -0500
                Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-21 01:27 +0000
                Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 20:33 -0500
                Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-21 02:11 +0000
                Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 22:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 23:05 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 22:13 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 23:16 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 22:25 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 23:29 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-21 03:20 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 22:29 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 06:56 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 08:25 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 07:48 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 09:00 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 08:47 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 09:50 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 09:25 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 15:04 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 10:08 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 15:38 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 10:40 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 15:53 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 11:13 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 18:55 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 13:30 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 13:34 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 08:43 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 09:46 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 15:40 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 10:47 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 17:07 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 12:11 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 13:38 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 18:40 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 13:24 -0600
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:30 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:31 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-10-22 20:34 +0100
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 19:52 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 20:20 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:35 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 16:43 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 16:12 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:32 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 17:50 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 23:01 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 09:55 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 16:47 +0000
                "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 12:22 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 11:50 -0700
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 21:11 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-23 21:33 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 17:14 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 23:41 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-24 07:34 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 02:47 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-24 12:04 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 09:54 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-10-25 15:36 +0300
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-25 15:30 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-25 13:34 -0700
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-10-26 14:03 +0200
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 15:39 +0000
                D simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own first line olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 11:40 -0500
                "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 17:08 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 15:21 -0700
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 15:26 -0700
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 18:40 -0400
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 17:48 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 19:09 -0400
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 23:55 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 19:00 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 23:45 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 18:51 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 20:14 -0400
                "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 17:14 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 18:33 -0400
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 23:15 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 18:24 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 20:14 -0400
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 01:22 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 20:47 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 22:13 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-10-23 08:02 +0200
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 09:51 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:55 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 16:24 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 21:55 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 18:54 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 19:27 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:31 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:32 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 19:37 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:45 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:45 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 19:56 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:04 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 22:02 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 17:07 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 23:12 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 19:46 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 02:47 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 22:12 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 13:09 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:41 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:44 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:45 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:46 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:28 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 19:55 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:01 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 21:56 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 17:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 23:04 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:25 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:29 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 19:30 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:43 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:45 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 20:17 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:32 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:38 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 13:10 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 20:15 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:30 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 13:36 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 08:35 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 09:36 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 16:33 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 11:49 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 14:23 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 19:04 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 12:19 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 16:01 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:50 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 15:51 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:58 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-10-29 03:16 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 22:26 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 23:34 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 05:45 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-29 07:32 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 13:31 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 16:35 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 12:13 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 18:32 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 13:46 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 19:28 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 15:53 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 21:06 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 16:14 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:31 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 19:37 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 15:57 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 21:09 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 16:22 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 21:43 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 16:53 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 22:03 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:08 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 22:18 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:59 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 22:14 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:28 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 23:52 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 19:01 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 00:25 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 19:33 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:56 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:57 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 02:19 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 21:43 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-28 23:07 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 05:36 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 11:12 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 17:21 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:38 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:16 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 18:21 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:13 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:13 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-03 14:12 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 10:20 -0600
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-03 17:06 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 11:22 -0600
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-03 17:26 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 11:55 -0600
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-11-03 17:57 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-03 20:29 +0000
                Addressing duffer-speak olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 14:46 -0600
                Re: Addressing duffer-speak Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-03 20:59 +0000
                Re: Addressing duffer-speak olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 15:03 -0600
                Re: Addressing duffer-speak "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 13:00 -0800
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 09:47 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 08:40 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 14:12 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 11:15 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 16:37 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 11:54 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 17:24 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 12:37 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 13:44 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 12:55 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:42 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 17:49 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 13:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:15 -0700
                fuck chris dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 14:17 -0700
                Re: fuck chris olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 16:44 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:53 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:14 -0700
                fuck chris dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 14:16 -0700
                Re: fuck chris "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:40 -0700
                Re: fuck chris dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 14:42 -0700
                Re: fuck chris "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:22 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:11 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:29 -0700
  Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-14 22:02 -0800

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