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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? |
| Date | 2017-03-16 09:41 +0000 |
| Organization | Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien |
| Message-ID | <2017Mar16.104159@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink) |
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rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>On 3/15/2017 6:00 AM, Anton Ertl wrote:
>> Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> writes:
>>> Anyway I don't read this as a genuine paean for an ideal language, but
>>> just as Paul Graham thinking ahead about Arc. "People will complain
>>> about the hackish terse words -- I'll praise that." "People will
>>> prefer Common Lisp -- I'll put in a gibe about code that's retained
>>> for compatibility." "It's not going to be fast -- I'll say what every
>>> scripting language advocate says about that."
>>
>> Conversely, he may have described what likes and does not like about
>> Common Lisp, and then decided to do something about the "not-likes",
>> and designed Arc.
>>
>> And yes, one could do similar things wrt Forth, and its dialects.
>> Typically, people have been more on the "do" side than on the "write"
>> side of this (e.g., Chuck Moore, Hans Bezemer, Slava Pestov, Ron
>> Aaron, Franck Benunsan), with Hugh Aguilar being the exception that
>> proves the rule.
>
>I'm not sure what you mean by the "do" side and the "write" side. By
>"do" do you mean designing and writing programs? By "write" do you mean
>discuss things rather than writing code????
In the present case I mean with "write" writing down and publishing a
set of requirements, as cited in the first posting in this thread.
With "do" I mean actually implementing (and publishing) a program that
is intended to satisfy this set of requirements.
>I never thought of Hugh as a non-doer. Yes, he has a great deal of
>trouble working with people, but certainly he is not shy of doing
>work.... or did I miss something?
Well, Paul Graham wrote this stuff in 2001 and the first release of
Arc happened in 2008. Hugh Aguilar first wrote about Straight Forth
in IIRC 2011, so if he manages to get Straight Forth out before 2018,
he will be more of a doer than Paul Graham. And I have until 2020 to
present an implementation of PAF:-).
- anton
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What's so great about Forth, anyway? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-14 13:07 -0500
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 11:54 -0700
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 15:53 -0400
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 19:24 -0700
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-15 10:00 +0000
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 12:57 -0400
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 11:09 -0700
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-16 04:05 -0500
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-16 09:41 +0000
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 10:57 -0700
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 14:41 -0400
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-15 11:34 -0700
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2017-03-22 03:24 -0700
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Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 04:52 -0700
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Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 07:47 -0700
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-25 17:13 +0000
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 13:48 -0700
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Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 18:52 -0700
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-29 11:53 +0000
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 15:09 +0300
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Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 17:24 +0300
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Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-04 16:35 +0000
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Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-29 11:59 +0000
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-29 10:24 +0000
Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2017-04-04 04:05 -0700
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