Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway?

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway?
Date	2017-03-16 14:41 -0400
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On 3/16/2017 1:57 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 2:48:49 AM UTC-7, Anton Ertl wrote:
>> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>>> I never thought of Hugh as a non-doer.  Yes, he has a great deal
>>> of trouble working with people, but certainly he is not shy of
>>> doing work.... or did I miss something?
>>
>> Well, Paul Graham wrote this stuff in 2001 and the first release
>> of Arc happened in 2008.  Hugh Aguilar first wrote about Straight
>> Forth in IIRC 2011, so if he manages to get Straight Forth out
>> before 2018, he will be more of a doer than Paul Graham.  And I
>> have until 2020 to present an implementation of PAF:-).
>
> Straight Forth is supposed to be a standard --- not just another
> non-standard implementation --- the whole point of talking about it
> was to get collaboration on the definition.

Really?  *YOU* are asking for others to collaborate with you when you 
couldn't even get along well enough to collaborate with the ANS 
committee?  Why do you think this would work any better?  Because you 
would be in charge?


> Everybody criticizes me for not releasing it --- but when I do
> release an implementation, everybody will say that it is not what
> they wanted.

I expect that is accurate.  The whole reason for doing it is to produce 
something *YOU* will like.  You don't leave any wiggle room for it to 
become what anyone else would like.  Although there are a couple of 
posters here who seem to agree with you some.  Are you getting any help 
from them?


> All I can be certain of is that nobody wants ANS-Forth or Forth-200x
> --- at least, nobody with a brain --- so far, it is only salespeople
> who want ANS-Forth and Forth-200x as their standard, plus
> non-programming "programming experts" who do a lot of talking about
> recognizers and don't know that Forth is not supposed to have a
> syntax.

I feel like the Wizard of Oz Tinman....  "If I only had a brain"  :)


> BTW: I already have a document describing PFA (portable Forth
> assembler). PFA is different from your PAF which I didn't like ---
> for one thing, yours is 32-bit, but the ARM already is the 32-bit
> portable assembly-language --- mine is loosely based on the 16-bit
> x86 and is intended for 16-bit processors such as the PIC24 or
> MSP_430, or FPGA implementations.

Let us know how well it is received by... well, *anyone*.

-- 

Rick C

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What's so great about Forth, anyway? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-14 13:07 -0500
  Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 11:54 -0700
    Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 15:53 -0400
    Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 19:24 -0700
    Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-15 10:00 +0000
      Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 12:57 -0400
        Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 11:09 -0700
          Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-16 04:05 -0500
        Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-16 09:41 +0000
          Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-16 10:57 -0700
            Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 14:41 -0400
      Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-03-15 11:34 -0700
      Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2017-03-22 03:24 -0700
        Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-03-22 11:24 -1000
          Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 14:51 -0700
        Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-23 04:25 -0500
          Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2017-03-23 14:58 -0700
            Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-24 03:03 -0500
              Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2017-03-24 04:52 -0700
                Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-03-24 09:06 -0500
        Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-23 07:47 -0700
        Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-25 17:13 +0000
          Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2017-03-28 13:48 -0700
        Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 18:34 -0700
          Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-03-28 18:52 -0700
            Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-29 11:53 +0000
              Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 15:09 +0300
                Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-29 13:58 +0000
                Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 17:24 +0300
                Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? The Beez <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 03:04 -0700
                Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 15:30 +0300
                Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? The Beez <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2017-04-06 05:36 -0700
                Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-04 16:35 +0000
                Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-05 11:46 -0700
          Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2017-03-28 16:12 -1000
            Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-29 11:59 +0000
          Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-03-29 10:24 +0000
          Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? franck.bensusan@gmail.com - 2017-04-04 04:05 -0700
      Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-03-22 13:18 -0700
  Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? NN <november.nihal@gmail.com> - 2017-03-14 12:20 -0700
  Re: What's so great about Forth, anyway? gavino himself <jackvanc3@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 19:52 -0700
  Nothing's great about Forth "Robert L." <No_spamming@noWhere_7073.org> - 2017-04-04 10:45 +0000
    Re: Nothing's great about Forth Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 08:00 -0700
    Re: Nothing's great about Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 08:16 -0700
    Re: Nothing's great about Forth Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 09:11 -0700
    Re: Nothing's great about Forth Ilya Tarasov <ilya74.tarasov@gmail.com> - 2017-04-06 06:42 -0700

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