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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Your definition of "Forth" is ...? - was [Re: Hard Forth] |
| Date | 2016-09-17 15:38 +0000 |
| Organization | Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien |
| Message-ID | <2016Sep17.173838@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink) |
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mhx@iae.nl writes:
>On Saturday, September 17, 2016 at 9:05:00 AM UTC+2, Mark Wills wrote:
>> X86 dominance in the market had nothing to do it being better.
>> Anyone who's ever written a line of assembler on both devices
>> knows the 68K is the better device by a mile.
>
>I did write *a lot* of assembly language for both
>processors, an embedded board with CP/M for the 68K
>and a 386 PC under 32bit Windows NT. I liked (or
>disliked) both architectures equally well.
The 386 has a different architecture than the 8086, and is in fact
more orthogonal than the 68000: with the exception of a few relatively
rare instructions (and 8086 holdouts) and addressing modes, every
instruction and addressing mode could use every register; i.e., the
386 is a register machine. By contrast, the 8086 was a mess of
special-purpose instructions and especially addressing modes. There's
a reason the registers are not called R0-R7 like in a from-the-start
register architecture (such as the PDP-11).
>An x86 versus 68K dispute is only useful to identify
>the real engineers from the dilettantes.
The use of "x86" is useful to identify dilettantes. Real engineers
know that 8086, IA-32, and AMD64 are different architectures and won't
mix them by applying one moniker to refer to some or all of them,
because that just confuses.
- anton
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Hard Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 01:04 -0700
Hard Forth Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 01:12 -0700
Re: Hard Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 01:17 -0700
Re: Hard Forth Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 01:54 -0700
Re: Hard Forth lehs <skydda.barnen@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 07:26 -0700
Re: Hard Forth Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:07 +0200
Re: Hard Forth rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:37 -0400
Re: Hard Forth Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 14:51 -0700
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Re: Your definition of "Forth" is ...? - was [Re: Hard Forth] Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 00:04 -0700
Re: Your definition of "Forth" is ...? - was [Re: Hard Forth] mhx@iae.nl - 2016-09-17 01:28 -0700
Re: Your definition of "Forth" is ...? - was [Re: Hard Forth] lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-09-17 02:04 -0700
Re: Your definition of "Forth" is ...? - was [Re: Hard Forth] anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-09-17 15:38 +0000
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