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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Your definition of "Forth" is ...? - was [Re: Hard Forth] |
| Date | 2016-09-16 12:56 +0000 |
| Organization | Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien |
| Message-ID | <2016Sep16.145608@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink) |
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Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> writes:
>anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) writes:
>> Intel was first to market in the beyond-8-bit area, which got them the
>> IBM PC design win, so in a way their decisions were right.
>
>There are a few different versions of that story. Maturity and time to
>market seems to have been one concern, but also cost:
[reasons snipped]
>http://yarchive.net/comp/ibm_pc_8088.html
Yes, there were a number of factors involved, and the 8086
segmentation was not something in favour (but also not something
detrimental, which may have to do with the memory sizes at the time).
One interesting aspect is that both Intel and Motorola had two CPU
projects going on in the late 70s, one an evolutionary design, and the
other a forward-looking groundbreaking design. The evolutionary
results were the 8086 and the 6809 (assembly-source compatible to the
8080 and the 6800, respectively), while the groundbreaking results
were the iAPX432 and the 68000. Intel expected the 8086 to be
surpassed by the iAPX432 soon (as happened with 6809 and 68000); IBM
did not expect a long future for the IBM PC, either, so the 8088 was a
good match. The 6809 was too small (marketed as 8-bit, and limited to
64k address space) for the IBM PC, though, and as stated, the 68000
was, in a way, too large.
- anton
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