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Re: Native Gforth

From anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: Native Gforth
Date 2016-06-02 12:54 +0000
Organization Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID <2016Jun2.145449@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
References (6 earlier) <nhn2db$nv0$1@dont-email.me> <75mdnU18NrINvqLKnZ2dnUU7-N_NnZ2d@supernews.com> <2016May20.170203@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <nio0hq$4mo$2@dont-email.me> <86fuswcd0v.fsf_-_@molnjunk.nocrew.org>

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Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> writes:
>Bernd Paysan wrote:
>> That's why the first two targets for Gforth with native code
>> compilation will be arm64 and amd64
>
>So native code compilation on the official roadmap for Gforth?

Official roadmap?  We are not a public company.

We have plans to do it, but don't hold your breath.

>Is it
>actively being worked on?

No code exists yet.  If you are interested in some of the ideas that
will go in there, see:

@InProceedings{ertl13-paf,
  author =       {M. Anton Ertl},
  title =        {{PAF}: A Portable Assembly Language},
  crossref =     {euroforth13},
  pages =        {30--38},
  url =          {http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth/ef13/papers/ertl-paf.pdf},
  OPTnote =      {not refereed},
  abstract =     {A portable assembly language provides access to
                  machine-level features like memory addresses,
                  machine words, code addresses, and modulo
                  arithmetics, like assembly language, but abstracts
                  away differences between architectures like the
                  assembly language syntax, instruction encoding,
                  register set size, and addressing modes.  Forth
                  already satisfies a number of the characteristics of
                  a portable assembly language, and is therefore a
                  good basis.  This paper presents PAF, a portable
                  assembly language based on Forth, and specifically
                  discusses language features that other portable
                  assembly languages do not have, and their benefits;
                  it also discusses the differences from Forth.  The
                  main innovations of PAF are: tags indicate the
                  control flow for indirect branches and calls; and
                  PAF has two kinds of calls and definitions: the ABI
                  ones follow the platform's calling convention and
                  are useful for interfacing to the outside world,
                  while the PAF ones allow tail-call elimination and
                  are useful for implementing general control
                  structures.}
}
@Proceedings{euroforth13,
  title = 	 {29th EuroForth Conference},
  booktitle = 	 {29th EuroForth Conference},
  year = 	 {2013},
  key =		 {EuroForth'13},
  url =          {http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth/ef13/papers/proceedings.pdf}
}

@InProceedings{ertl14-c,
  author =       {M. Anton Ertl},
  title =        {How to get rid of {C}},
  crossref =     {euroforth14},
  pages =        {63--65},
  url =          {http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth/ef14/papers/ertl-c.pdf},
  video =        {http://www.forth-ev.de/wiki/doku.php/events:euroforth-2014:ridofc},
  OPTnote =      {Presentation slides}
}
@Proceedings{euroforth14,
  title = 	 {30th EuroForth Conference},
  booktitle = 	 {30th EuroForth Conference},
  year = 	 {2014},
  key =		 {EuroForth'14},
  url =          {http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth/ef14/papers/proceedings.pdf}
}

- anton
-- 
M. Anton Ertl  http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/home.html
comp.lang.forth FAQs: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/faq/toc.html
     New standard: http://www.forth200x.org/forth200x.html
   EuroForth 2016: http://www.euroforth.org/ef16/

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                Native Gforth Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-06-02 08:37 +0200
                Re: Native Gforth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-06-02 12:54 +0000
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