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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? |
| Date | 2016-05-20 15:02 +0000 |
| Organization | Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien |
| Message-ID | <2016May20.170203@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink) |
| References | (4 earlier) <2016May19.170745@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <nhkp0a$6cn$1@dont-email.me> <2016May20.144448@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <nhn2db$nv0$1@dont-email.me> <75mdnU18NrINvqLKnZ2dnUU7-N_NnZ2d@supernews.com> |
Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> writes:
>Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> wrote:
>It wasn't obvious to me at first, but ARMv8 is a very clever design
>which is just as happy being a 32-bit processor as a 64-bit one. You
>can put ARMv8 into "A64 mode" but use 32-bit words for addresses and
>integers, etc. You get the benefit of more registers and a nicer ISA
>to program, but on a 32-bit system. I wonder if this is worth doing
>for something like Android on small systems.
Very doubtful. There was an effort to do such a thing for AMD64
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X32_ABI>, but while the necessary
foundation seems to be there, nobody seems to use it. My guess is
that if somebody does the comparable thing to ARM, the result will be
the same.
There was also support for something similar on Alpha, and it was used
for building programs that were not 64-bit clean, and some SPEC
benchmarks, but it was not used for anything else. Overall, the
benefits of limiting yourself to 32 bits on 64-bit platforms seem to
be too small to make people go there.
>I'm sure the 32-bit ARM ISA will be in use for decades.
In the embedded space, yes. But for smartphones and such, it will be
gone in a decade; not just in the shops, but given the short lifetimes
of these devices, also in the hands of the users.
- anton
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Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-24 15:34 +0000
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Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-25 13:43 +0000
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Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-05-25 09:52 -0700
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Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-25 01:18 +0000
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-05-22 21:15 -1000
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-20 09:47 -0500
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-20 15:02 +0000
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-05-20 11:42 -0500
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-20 16:52 +0000
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Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-20 17:12 +0000
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-20 10:25 -0700
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-20 17:41 +0000
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-20 11:12 -0700
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-21 05:33 +0000
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-05-20 21:13 +0200
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-20 15:24 -0700
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-05-20 09:45 -0700
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-06-02 01:01 +0000
Native Gforth Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2016-06-02 08:37 +0200
Re: Native Gforth anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-06-02 12:54 +0000
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-06-02 12:34 +0000
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? Albert van der Horst <albert@cherry.spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-05-19 18:35 +0000
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 12:07 -0700
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-20 12:48 +0000
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-05-19 10:33 -1000
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2016-05-19 07:04 +0300
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2016-05-19 08:09 +0200
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-19 07:43 +0000
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-05-19 08:13 +0000
Re: Was just wondering when people started using C to write forth languages and not assembly? Darin Murphy <murphy.darin@gmail.com> - 2016-05-20 22:27 -0400
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