Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1

From	anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1
Date	2015-06-10 12:22 +0000
Organization	Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID	<2015Jun10.142256@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
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"Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> writes:
>on 10/06/2015 00:41:54, Bernd Paysan wrote:
>> Did you read my text? I repeat it for you: The *A versions in Windows
>> NT go through a string conversion wrapper, and all they need to do is
>> add CP_UTF8 as first-class codepage.
>
>Yes, I read your text. What you're suggesting isn't possible. The
>codepage is set for the entire OS and *A calls do not provide specific
>codepages. It is possible to overide and use codepage 65001 (UTF-8) for
>the command line processor (the "DOS console") but that isn't possible
>for windowed apps, and it only affects input and output to the console.

Just because it is not yet implemented in Windows does not mean it is
impossible.  What prevents Microsoft from supporting code page 65001
everywhere, including windowed apps?  Any technical reason? Or is it
just stubbornness?

>It would not have been possible or advisable to change the design of
>Windows NT between January and July 1993 based on a USENIX paper, or a
>Unicode standard published in 1993; both would have been well beyond the
>end of the design phase of Windows NT.

That is likely true, but that does not mean that UTF-8 postdates
Windows NT.  Nor does it mean that it is impossible to add UTF-8 to
Windows as a first-class code page.  GB18030 (from 2005) definitely
postdates Windows NT, and also Windows XP and Windows Server 2003, yet
MicroSoft added support for GB18030 to Windows XP and Windows Server
2003 <https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa578128.aspx> (and of
course also to later versions).  The funny thing is that GB18030 is a
byte-based Unicode Transformation Format, like UTF-8.

- anton
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RfD: 1 chars = 1 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-08 17:34 +0000
  Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-08 10:59 -0700
    Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-08 19:57 +0100
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-08 16:35 -0700
        Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-09 06:18 +0000
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-09 23:35 +0200
        Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-09 23:49 +0100
          Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-10 01:41 +0200
            Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-10 02:03 +0100
              Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-10 12:22 +0000
                Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-11 14:50 +0100
              Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-10 14:46 +0200
    Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-09 07:09 +0000
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2015-06-09 01:52 -0700
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-09 23:29 +0200
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2015-06-21 12:46 -0400
  Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-06-09 12:06 +0200
    Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-09 03:40 -0700
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-06-09 12:45 +0200
        Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-06-09 07:17 -0400
          Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-06-09 14:30 +0200
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-06-09 12:50 -0800
        Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-06-21 17:14 +1000
          Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-06-20 21:46 -1000
            Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-06-23 15:05 +1000
              Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-06-22 19:42 -1000
                Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-06-27 14:08 +1000

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