Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1

From	Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1
Date	2015-06-10 01:41 +0200
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Alex McDonald wrote:

> on 09/06/2015 22:35:19, Bernd Paysan wrote:
>> Alex McDonald wrote:
>> 
>>> Windows NT uses UCS-2 which requires 2 bytes. Prior to that it was ASCII
>>> and codepages, a solution so awful we still live with its unreadable
>>> consequences to this day. NT is only of interest as a historical example
>>> of doing the right thing, but being too early and backing the wrong
>>> horse. This decision forced MS into later using UTF-16 rather than
>>> UTF-8.
>> 
>> IMHO that's wrong. CP_UTF8 exists, all they need to do is to make it a
>> fully supported code page (instead of supporting it only for
>> conversion functions), which works for all the *A versions of their
>> API calls. Actually, I don't even understand why they have first-class
>> and second-class code pages for the *A versions, as internally, all
>> the *A stuff goes through a wrapper which converts the string to
>> UTF-16, anyways. Apart from Windows 9x, which is dead and burried.
>> 
>> They weren't forced into that decision.  It is sheer stupidity.
>> 
> UTF-8 postdated Windows NT.

Did you read my text?  I repeat it for you:  The *A versions in Windows NT 
go through a string conversion wrapper, and all they need to do is add 
CP_UTF8 as first-class codepage.

It doesn't matter if UTF-8 postdated Windows NT or not; which BTW isn't 
true, either:

"Thompson's design was outlined on September 2, 1992, on a placemat in a New 
Jersey diner with Rob Pike. In the following days, Pike and Thompson 
implemented it and updated Plan 9 to use it throughout, and then 
communicated their success back to X/Open.[7]

UTF-8 was first officially presented at the USENIX conference in San Diego, 
from January 25 to 29, 1993."

Windows NT was released 26. Juli 1993.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
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RfD: 1 chars = 1 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-08 17:34 +0000
  Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-06-08 10:59 -0700
    Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-08 19:57 +0100
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-08 16:35 -0700
        Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-09 06:18 +0000
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-09 23:35 +0200
        Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-09 23:49 +0100
          Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-10 01:41 +0200
            Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-10 02:03 +0100
              Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-10 12:22 +0000
                Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-06-11 14:50 +0100
              Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-10 14:46 +0200
    Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-06-09 07:09 +0000
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2015-06-09 01:52 -0700
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-06-09 23:29 +0200
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2015-06-21 12:46 -0400
  Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-06-09 12:06 +0200
    Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-06-09 03:40 -0700
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-06-09 12:45 +0200
        Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-06-09 07:17 -0400
          Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 Matthias Koch <matthias.koch@hot.uni-hannover.de> - 2015-06-09 14:30 +0200
      Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-06-09 12:50 -0800
        Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-06-21 17:14 +1000
          Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-06-20 21:46 -1000
            Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-06-23 15:05 +1000
              Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-06-22 19:42 -1000
                Re: RfD: 1 chars = 1 "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-06-27 14:08 +1000

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