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Re: cellular needed for Covid tracking?

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: cellular needed for Covid tracking?
Date 2020-12-10 21:17 +0100
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On 10/12/2020 07.42, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 9 Dec 2020 15:37:01 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 09/12/2020 14.41, Mayayana wrote:
>>> "Chris Green" <cl@isbd.net> wrote
>>>
>>> | Well why *would* you think changing a -us ending to -ii makes it
>>> | plural?  In English we add -s or -es so why not just viruses?  There a
>>> | few words where we use the latin plural - datum -> data but it's not
>>> | the default way of making plurals.
>>
>> Why should I know? My first language is not English. I simply learn from
>> what other people do, and someone told me once that the correct form is
>> virii.
> 
> Absolutely, you had no way to know.  Given that you are Spanish and live
> in Spain, your English is excellent.  Far better than my Spanish (even
> though I knew over 1000 words and probably still do.d  The virii have
> delayed my plans to return to Guatemala.) 

I lived and studied for a while in Ottawa :-)

Not living there now, it deteriorates with time. At college, they told
me my written English was better than what many locals did, which
surprised me a lot.

> 
> But ftr, the plural of virus in Latin is virus and I suppose it's
> viruses in English.  Virii looks absurd to me and hard to pronounce. 
> 
> Words that end in -us and are made plural by changing that to -i are 1st
> Declension in Latin, and tend to be masculine iirc. 
> 
> Words that end in -us and are made plural with no change are 4th
> Declension. Mostly masculine but some feminine and some neuter.  (though
> there are some called 4th Dec. that end in -u and are plural by changing
> that to -ua!  In the nominative.  In other cases they are the same as
> the -us words.) 
> 
> Virus is 4th Declension. 
> 
> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/latin/stage-1-latin/lessons/lesson-11-fourth-and-fifth-declension-nouns-days-of-the-week/
> 
> I have wondered how the declensions arose.  2nd Declension ends in -a
> iirc and the words tend to be feminine iirc, like alumna.   I sort of
> think 3rd, 4th, and 5th represent non-Latin words that sneaked into the
> language, and retained the declination of the original language,
> whatever they were, in the same way that in English the plural of
> criterion is criteria because, I assume, that is the Greek plural and
> the word is Greek.  
> 
> BTW, I was 8th and 80th, 3rd and 4th** in the Indiana all-state contest
> in Latin during my first two years in high school.  The first year
> teacher was probably the best teacher I ever had, and he brought up lots
> of extraneous stuff, but not the origin of declensions.   **I have to
> brag about this because I have nothing more recent. 


I studied one year Latin at high school. It was traumatic. The teacher
fixated a mania on me (it was not me who said that). Initially I could
not make head or tails of Latin, I failed two out of five partials. My
mother got a friend of hers to teach me Latin, and I got so good at it
that friends asked me for translations. But the teacher would invariably
fail me. My mother friend, a teacher at another high school, was
flabbergasted. In the end, I passed at the "recovery" final exam barely.

A year later I had forgotten all of it. As I say, traumatic at an inner
level, even though I liked it. Translating was like solving jigsaws, it
was entertaining. Today I can't translate even a simple Latin phrase.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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