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Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering

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On 09/04/15 10:29, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
> In article <vh2rub-54e.ln1@squidward.dionic.net>,
> 	Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> writes:
>> Please, no debates about the merits of this -
>>
>> I'm having trouble trying to find anything that might work.
>
> Don't have kids myself, but we used to get asked this a lot by
> colleagues because I've always worked on networking, so we had
> many discussions about it over the years, between the techies
> and and non-technical parents (usefully spread across many
> countries, so could also contrast approaches).
>
> Bottom line - forget filtering. It just gives you a false sense
> that you have protected your children, when in fact you haven't.

I'm afraid I disagree - quite strongly.

There's way to much bad stuff like rotten.com and other sick crap.

The art here is not to eliminate it but to seriously reduce the risk of 
accidental and mildly curious exposure.

I'm managed that as detailed above in a  previous post.

> The best it gets you is protection from mistyping a URL and
> ending up somewhere less pleasent than you actually intended.

That's actually extremely important.

> It's all quite easily got around, and easy to deploy solutions
> to do this pass amongst the teenage community all the time. As
> many parents know all too well, the blocking in the UK by some
> ISPs is effective only for the parents, as almost every teenager
> quickly learns how to circumvent it.

They'll have to work on it here - I've sewn it up pretty tight. And if 
they get some porn out of some seriously hacking, fair play to them.

> You need to handle this with supervised internet use until the
> children are old enough to understand there are dangers out on
> the internet (and they can understand that principle long before
> they can or need to understand more precisely what the dangers
> are). Depends on the maturity of the child and quality of guidance
> by the parents, but by age 8, you can teach them enough to use
> the internet safely without you sitting next to them, but you
> should be in the same room and keeping an eye on them, e.g. using
> a PC, tablet, or whatever in a family room in the home, not at
> that stage in private.
>
> In early teens, you must expect that a child is going to be using
> the internet increasingly unsupervised, and over the period from,
> say, 8 to 13, you need to be preparing them for that point. That
> means age appropriate education on more precisely what the
> dangers are out in the real world, such as porn, social website
> bullying and personal safety, terrorism, eating disorders, body
> image, etc. If you do this right, when they eventually stumble on
> these issues (as they surely will), it won't be such a surprise
> or something they don't understand, because they will be able to
> put it into context. The internet means you can't pretend things
> you may find unsavory don't exist, and you need to educate your
> children about at a yonger age than you perhaps became aware.
>
> Finally (and particularly revelant in UK at the moment due to the
> current goverment's hangups) - don't fly off the handle if you
> find your teenager watching porn. Hormones are a powerful drive
> for anything sexual at that age, and you should probably be more
> worried if your teenager is not showing any such interest. My
> European colleagues find this UK attidude bemusing, and yet they
> manage to bring up teenagers with significantly fewer sexual
> problems than we do without worrying about them being exposed to
> porn. If you have talked about porn as one of the internet's
> contents beforehand so they understand the difference between
> porn and relationships, it's not normally anything to worry about.
> Making a fuss about it will just stop your kids feeling they can
> talk to you about such issues, which is potentially much more
> damaging.
>

I agree with all that, but as I've solved about 99% of the problem I 
only have the 1% to worry about...

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Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-31 18:36 +0100
  Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Andy Cap <snruwfpgbizo@trashmail.net> - 2015-03-31 18:44 +0100
  Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering "Dave Liquorice" <allsortsnotthisbit@howhill.com> - 2015-03-31 19:25 +0000
    Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-31 22:13 +0100
      Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering "Dave Liquorice" <allsortsnotthisbit@howhill.com> - 2015-04-02 00:03 +0000
        Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-02 01:14 +0100
  Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Bill <Billaboard@gmail.com> - 2015-03-31 20:14 +0100
    Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-31 22:07 +0100
    Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-03-31 15:18 -0700
      Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering The Real Doctor <ian.groups@btinternet.com> - 2015-04-01 23:10 +0100
        Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-04-01 17:01 -0700
          Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 11:38 +1100
  Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-04-01 06:59 +1100
    Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-31 22:13 +0100
      Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Capitol <spam@wher.eva.co.uk> - 2015-03-31 22:19 +0100
      Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering "john james" <jj9801@nospam.com> - 2015-04-01 09:46 +1100
        Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-01 00:19 +0100
          Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-01 16:30 +0100
  Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> - 2015-04-01 23:50 +0100
    Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-02 01:10 +0100
      Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-04-03 17:52 -0700
        Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-04 09:09 +0100
          Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-04 12:24 +0000
            Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-04 19:25 +0100
              Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-04 19:29 +0000
                Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-04 20:53 +0100
                Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-04 21:58 +0000
                Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-04 23:18 +0100
              Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-04-04 21:28 +0100
                Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-04 21:37 +0100
              Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-04-05 02:50 +0100
                Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-05 10:58 +0100
                Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-04-05 11:27 +0100
      Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-04 13:57 +0100
        Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-04 19:35 +0100
          Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-04 21:39 +0100
  Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering usenet@cucumber.me.uk (Andrew Gabriel) - 2015-04-09 09:29 +0000
    Re: Parental guardian - internet (WEB) filtering Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-04-09 13:35 +0100

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