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Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient?

Subject Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient?
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From Bart <bc@freeuk.com>
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Date 2020-03-13 19:12 +0000

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On 13/03/2020 18:06, David Brown wrote:
> On 13/03/2020 19:01, Bart wrote:

>> I think the result of most such conversions will never be displayed.
>>
>> Think of generating HLL source code, ASM source, CSV files, XML,
>> listings files, log files, or just piping the output to another process,
>> or directing it to a file.
> 
> It doesn't matter.  All of these will take many orders of magnitude more
> processor cycles than a division, or the entire conversion to binary digits.

No they don't. *Printing* results to a display might do, but as I said 
usually this doesn't happen.

Take this sequence of generated ASM code:

     mov       A0,   [Dframe-16]
     add       A0,   123
     mov       A2,   [Dframe-24]
     sub       A2,   456
     imul2     A0,   A2
     mov       [Dframe-8],   A0

I have a test that generates multiple repetitions of such code.

Generated numbers occur in 3 places: (a) the offsets; (b) the operands; 
(c) the register names.

Taking the binary->decimal calls that generate (a) and (b), and calling 
them twice, increases runtime by 10%. So they account for approx 10% of 
runtime.

Any savings won't be 10% because I still have to generate the numbers, 
but if you can find a faster way, it might save 5%. It doesn't sound 
much, but there might many such optimisations.

Now take (c), which are generated from a pre-generated 2D table of 
register index and size. This is an existing optimisation; if I take it 
out and do binary-decimal conversion each time to build the name, it 
slows it down by nearly 25%.


>> So perhaps the most time-consuming thing might be turning it back into
>> binary. Which usually involves multiplies rather than divides.
> 
> Multiplication by powers of two is not time-consuming for a cpu.

Sure, if you have a dedicated conversion for each number base. If are 
converting a string in base N into binary, then optimisation is not 
possible.


>>
>> (Eg. gcc appears to work by generating .s files which are then processed
>> by 'as'.)
> 
> Yes.  And one of the reasons no one has made a big effort to change
> that, is that it is such a minor part of the time taken for the
> compilation process.

Because gcc is slow anyway. My tools are faster and these details 
matter. My point however is that all those generated numbers are never 
printed out, only converted back to binary.

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How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Francis Assissi <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-12 20:18 +0000
  Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-12 20:26 +0000
    Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Francis Assissi <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-12 20:30 +0000
      Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-03-12 20:40 -0700
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      Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2020-03-12 20:44 +0000
        Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2020-03-12 17:00 -0400
          Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2020-03-13 09:35 +0000
            Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-13 11:12 +0100
      Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2020-03-12 22:16 +0000
        Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Francis Assissi <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-12 22:39 +0000
          Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2020-03-12 19:51 -0400
            Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-13 00:47 +0000
              Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2020-03-12 23:02 -0400
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    Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-13 11:03 +0000
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        Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-13 15:12 +0000
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            Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-13 18:01 +0000
              Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-03-13 19:06 +0100
                Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-13 19:12 +0000
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                Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-14 12:24 +0000
                Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-03-14 16:35 +0000
                Re: How to div only once to get remainder and quotient? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-03-14 18:05 +0000
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