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Re: I'm so conflicted...

Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Date 2016-11-12 10:34 -0800
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Subject Re: I'm so conflicted...
From Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk>

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On Saturday, 12 November 2016 01:19:09 UTC+1, hughag...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On Friday, November 11, 2016 at 4:47:20 AM UTC-7, Mark Wills wrote:
> > Forth: You're in control. Everything is global. The system assumes
> > you're not an idiot. And I love it.
> > 
> > Python: You're in control. Everything is global. The system assumes
> > you're not an idiot. I hate it.
> > 
> > And I don't know why!
> > 
> > Aggggh! :-/
> 
> Way back in 1985 I knew that PAD was a bad idea. I pointed out the problem and I was told that Forth-83 had problems, one of which was a lack of support for reentrancy, but that a new standard was coming soon that would be a lot better. Now in 2016 you say: "Everything is global." Aggggh!
> 
> Maybe the Forth system should assume that the user is an idiot --- historically, this has been true most of the time...

Hi Hugh,

Could you enlighten me as to why you think "PAD is a bad idea"?
I am assuming a Forth system where PAD is an array of USER variables...

Best regards,
Howerd

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