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Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac?

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Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac?
Date 2018-11-18 16:40 -0500
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In article <2018111813332388718-tomevans9890@yahoo.ca>, Tom Evans
<tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> > Again: That was simply ONE example way you could have inadvertently 
> > given away your details. There are various other ways, including ones 
> > that have nothing to do with the computer at all. There's no possible 
> > way to know exactly how someone got your bank account details, but the 
> > chances of some hacker getting into your Mac to read a text file stored 
> > on it's drive are basically zero.
> 
> Your assurance sounds reassuring, and a few Apple tech support people 
> whom I consulted about this agree with you, but Jolly and Nospam 
> strongly disagree with you, so I still don't know which side to 
> believe, and whether or not I should get a security information program 
> such as Ipasscode to store my sensitive data on to prevent another 
> attack, or if I don't need to do so because text files on Macs are 
> already secure, and because the attack was conducted through a security 
> leak that didn't involve my negligence.

nothing i've said disagrees with that, other than if someone *does*
gain access to your system, a file called 'passwords.txt' is going to
be the first place they're going to look.

> As with so many other issues, there are two camps with adamant opposite 
> views on this basic issue.

no there aren't.

> Also, I still didn't get an answer about whether or not Apple's Notes 
> program (which can be locked with a passcode) would be an advisable 
> place to store my passcodes, user names and similar sensitve 
> information.

yes you did.

use a password manager because it's designed specifically for that task.

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Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-07 21:59 -0800
  Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2018-11-08 12:31 +0000
    Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-08 13:51 -0800
      Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 17:10 -0500
        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-08 20:55 -0800
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 00:23 -0500
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-09 11:03 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 14:15 -0500
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-09 22:53 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 15:01 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-10 21:22 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-10 19:56 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 18:09 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-12 13:34 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-13 14:00 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 21:42 -0400
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 12:25 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 14:14 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 19:22 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 18:42 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 19:36 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 18:42 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-16 08:02 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-16 12:10 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 09:40 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 13:42 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 16:49 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 17:43 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 18:31 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-25 18:47 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-26 18:38 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-16 08:15 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 09:46 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 14:31 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 14:38 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 17:58 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 14:17 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 18:06 +1300
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 14:09 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 20:11 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-15 18:30 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 13:07 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 14:11 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 13:11 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 14:19 +1300
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-10 01:18 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-10 19:52 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 16:49 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-11 14:32 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 22:38 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-12 13:27 -0800
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-13 21:19 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-14 18:38 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 13:24 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 14:23 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 19:14 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 18:41 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-16 08:07 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 09:43 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 13:33 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 16:40 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 14:39 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 20:28 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 14:33 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 20:35 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-19 07:25 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-20 07:55 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-25 18:54 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 14:30 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-25 19:01 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-25 19:09 -0800
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 09:44 +1300
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-09 17:18 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 20:22 -0500
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 14:59 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 21:07 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-09 22:23 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 08:38 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-10 20:25 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-11 23:48 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-12 10:44 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-12 23:43 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 10:24 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 16:56 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-10 23:11 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 19:18 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 16:41 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-11 11:48 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 18:58 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-11 14:17 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 21:10 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-12 13:04 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-13 13:51 +1300
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-10 01:19 +0000
        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 12:33 -0800
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 15:46 -0500
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 13:59 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:10 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 19:04 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 18:44 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-16 08:12 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 09:37 +1300
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 14:26 +1300
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 19:09 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 14:21 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-17 07:40 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-18 09:53 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-18 09:19 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 10:09 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 12:59 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 13:03 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 16:11 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 14:46 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 14:20 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-12-08 22:29 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-12-09 19:40 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 20:28 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-12-08 22:26 -0800
      Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-09 15:36 +1300
        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-08 20:00 -0800
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 23:18 -0500
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-08 20:39 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 23:44 -0500
  Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-08 15:59 +0000
    Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-08 18:47 +0000
      Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-09 08:10 +1300
        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 14:22 -0500
        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-08 19:30 +0000
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-09 15:29 +1300
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
      Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-08 20:22 +0000

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