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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Why isn't ether confirmed |
| Date | 2016-02-21 14:20 +0100 |
| Organization | PointedEars Software (PES) |
| Message-ID | <1650280.2n2qWtO46H@PointedEars.de> (permalink) |
| References | <cc24e75c-e8b0-442c-b292-6bf64d8b6d4f@googlegroups.com> <dinvf2Fke0kU1@mid.individual.net> <YGAxy.438$7h2.14@fx10.iad> <na70aj$ucv$1@dont-email.me> |
kunz wrote: ^^^^ Who? > What you describe as a medium, or 'properties of empty space' goes back > to the concept of a force field, invented by Maxwell for electromagnetic > waves (and also for static fields, lines of magnetic force etc.), and > Newton for gravity, because objects do not seem to move normally in > empty space, but are pushed and pulled by some mysterious thing > attributed to space itself. Yes, except that those things are not mysterious anymore because of the great work of those fine gentlemen; they can be measured and calculated. > Thus one regards empty space as filled with some intangible fluid called > 'field'. Not at all. Instead, a field is a mathematical concept that assigns a value to each point of a space. A field in physics is the application of that concept to the values of (measurable) physical quantities. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(physics)> > It is this mysterious notion that was debunked by Einstein's > general relativity. Which is why the equations of general relativity are the (Einstein) field equations :-> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_field_equations> Instead, what Einstein _made superfluous_ with postulating _special_ relativity is the (experimentally falsified) notion that there had to be an ether medium in order to propagate light. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity> > Taking light as an example, we observe it as as a delayed force field: Light is a self-propagating disturbance *of* the electromagnetic field. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light> > If you shake a charged object in one place, after a short moment a > second charged object in a different place begins to shake as well. How did you get that idea? > This describes all that is really observed about light. In your humble opinion. > You don't need an electromagnetic field that exists in the empty space > between the two places, because *nothing* is really there. Every capacitor that stores electric energy (including those in the computer you are using to write this) shows that the opposite of what you are saying is true. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor> The Casimir effect also shows that the opposite of what you are saying is true. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect> Please get yourself informed before you post here again. PointedEars -- Q: What happens when electrons lose their energy? A: They get Bohr'ed. (from: WolframAlpha)
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Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-07 20:44 +0100
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Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-23 23:11 +0100
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Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-24 08:10 +0100
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Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-25 16:10 +1100
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Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-25 08:01 -0800
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Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 16:34 -0600
Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 16:35 -0600
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Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-29 23:15 -0800
Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 04:40 -0800
Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-03-01 06:09 -0800
Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 06:23 -0800
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