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Re: Script in <a > tag in IE

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From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Organization PointedEars Software (PES)
Date 2013-02-10 13:55 +0100
Subject Re: Script in <a > tag in IE
Newsgroups comp.lang.javascript
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Cezary Tomczyk wrote:

> W dniu 2013-02-10 01:27, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn pisze:
>> Cezary Tomczyk wrote:
>>> W dniu 2013-02-10 01:07, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn pisze:
>>>> Cezary Tomczyk wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>>>> 1. Don't mix behaviours with logic. Move "onclick" outside of
>>>>>>> element <a>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have not said why.  I think there is no good reason why.  That
>>>>>> script code here is short enough so that it is maintainable when in
>>>>>> an event handler attribute value, and it is only needed when that
>>>>>> particular “a”
>>>>>> element is needed.  Loading it always would be a waste of resources.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am referring to:
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>> 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtrusive_JavaScript#Separation_of_behavior_from_markup
>>>>> *
>> 
http://www.w3.org/wiki/The_principles_of_unobtrusive_JavaScript#Separation_of_structure_and_behaviour
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a lot of materials in internet about (let's use some
>>>>> keywords) "separate behavior content javascript".
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus ( from my memory :-) ):
>>>>>
>>>>> * HTML files are bigger by using inline events and are not cached,
>>>>> while JavaScript files can be cached by browsers
>>>> Utter nonsense, all of the above.
>>> You have not said why.
>> True, because we have been over this ad nauseam here already.
> 
> Hm, it would maybe good to collect all results of previous discussions
> somewhere in FAQ place, you know. I know that writing the same things
> over and over again is a maybe little bit waste of time.

Yes.  Thank you for your volunteering.
 
> But on the other hand answer like "Utter nonsense, all of the above."
> doesn't contains useful informations. Just make more confuses.

You can find indication that it is utter nonsense when you evaluate the 
truth value of the statement “HTML files […] by using inline events […] are 
not cached”.  The fact aside that there are no “inline events” (there are 
event-handler attributes on elements, many of them defined in HTML 
Specifications HTML 4.01 [REC] and HTML5 [CR]): *Why* would such a document 
_not_ be cached by an HTTP client?

> Could be written like this:
> 
> var doAction = function () {
>      addAttachments();
>      return false;
> };
> 
> var m = function () {
>     var a = document.getElementById('mylinkelement');
>     a.onclick = doAction;
> };
> 
> m();

Could be, but should not.
 
> But let's leave it as is and close this case.

This is not a matter of opinion.  There are good reasons why this is harder 
to maintain bloat code – directly contradicting your thesis that the 
separation would make a smaller footprint and would make things easier –, 
and there are few if any reasons why it is not.  You can see that when you 
count the number of characters required for implementing either approach.  
You can see it again when you calculate the code distance in either case.  
You can see it yet again when you consider the compatibility of either 
approach.

Your approach can be useful – if augmented – if the same functionality is 
needed in several places and the event does not bubble.  Which is not the 
case here.

>>> Also, I provided links that contains explanations "why not inline
>>> events". You do not have to agree with them.
>> I do not, because they are utter nonsense.
> 
> Without any evidences I can not say that you have right. Anyway, let's
> leave it as is.

No, truth must be told, and you have not thought this through.

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PointedEars

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Script in <a  > tag in IE Tim Slattery <Slattery_T@bls.gov> - 2013-02-07 14:32 -0500
  Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-02-07 20:47 +0100
    Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Tim Slattery <Slattery_T@bls.gov> - 2013-02-07 15:08 -0500
      Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-07 21:20 +0100
      Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE SAM <stephanemoriaux.NoAdmin@wanadoo.fr.invalid> - 2013-02-09 16:42 +0100
    Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-02-07 21:30 +0000
      Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-02-08 07:08 +0000
        Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-02-08 16:30 +0100
          Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-02-08 15:41 +0000
  Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-07 21:02 +0100
    Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-02-09 00:19 +0100
      Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-02-09 00:25 +0100
      Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-09 14:35 +0100
        Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-02-09 22:27 +0100
  Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-02-09 20:33 +0100
    Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-10 00:08 +0100
      Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 00:52 +0100
        Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-10 01:07 +0100
          Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 01:20 +0100
            Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-10 01:27 +0100
              Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 01:43 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-10 13:55 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 20:38 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-10 21:28 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-10 21:37 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-02-10 22:56 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-02-11 00:09 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-02-11 00:30 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 00:43 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-11 01:02 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-02-11 01:16 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-11 01:49 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-02-11 17:59 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-11 18:19 +0100
                Re: Script in <a > tag in IE Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 13:03 -0800
                Re: Script in <a > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-11 22:09 +0100
                Re: Script in <a > tag in IE Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 13:59 -0800
                Re: Script in <a > tag in IE "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2013-02-18 00:15 +0000
                Re: Script in <a > tag in IE Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2013-02-21 12:33 -0800
                Re: Script in <a > tag in IE "Richard Cornford" <Richard@litotes.demon.co.uk> - 2013-02-22 00:59 +0000
                Re: Script in <a > tag in IE Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2013-02-23 07:54 -0800
                Re: Script in <a > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-22 02:00 +0100
                Re: Script in <a > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-22 01:12 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-11 01:38 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-11 00:48 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-11 01:09 +0100
                Re: Script in <a  > tag in IE Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2013-02-20 00:07 +0100
        Re: Script in <a > tag in IE dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2013-02-11 07:30 -0800

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