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Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance"

From "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance"
Date 2026-08-05 16:32 -0400
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On 8/5/2026 4:10 PM, Alan wrote:

>>>>>>>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-laptop
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is just great, an ARM Microsoft-brand laptop, so state-of- 
>>>>>>>> the- art, so cool.  Expensive, admittedly, heh.  Comes with 
>>>>>>>> Win11 Home, BTW.  Not Pro.  I don't get that.  A mini PC from 
>>>>>>>> China has a false but yet workable license for 11 Pro, but this 
>>>>>>>> thing is legit so it has Home. People with money who don't 
>>>>>>>> really know computers make a cash cow for MS, heh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or get a better, faster system for less and buy a MacBook Neo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe a better value in a way, but it's Apple, so no way I'd be 
>>>>>> interested.  I wouldn't buy a Surface, either, though, because 
>>>>>> it's OEM Wintendo bullshit, a mini PC with a legitimate Win11 
>>>>>> license purchased from Microsoft (just use "change product key" in 
>>>>>> settings) is perfect for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> You not being interested in better value is what make you a zealot, 
>>>>> not a rational person.
>>>>
>>>> Uh, dude, read what I wrote, I did get a better value, by not 
>>>> getting *either* of the Neo or the Surface corporate products.  I 
>>>> paid an inexpensive price for the hardware, and $200 for Win11 Pro 
>>>> retail. That is the best value *possible*.
>>>
>>> And how many "upgrades" did you have to make to make your computer 
>>> right?
>>>
>>> Lay it all out
>>
>> This time, I realized that what I had before was overkill.  I 
>> literally had a self-assembled system with 32 GB RAM, dual NVMe 
>> drives, six cores 12 threads on the CPU, running *Linux*, and 
>> previously Win11.  This inexpensive mini PC from China runs Win11 in 
>> 16 GB RAM *shared with* the GPU, so it's really more like 12 GB 
>> available, has 512 GB storage, but it "just works", with four cores 
>> eight threads.  You simply don't need more than what I have for basic 
>> Winblows usage.  I don't game.  I'm just enjoying the benefit of how 
>> tech has advanced to where something like this can be a workable system.
> 
> No dollar figures...except you're already in $200 for Windows.


I paid the $200 because the Win11 Pro that came with it was not 
legitimate intellectual property.  The company in China bought 
gray-market licenses from an organization that sourced such from MS 
previous to that.  That is a violation of MS's license agreement.  They 
tolerate it, maybe, I don't fuck around with sketch software though.  As 
for the cost of the hardware, it was $270 on Amazon.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!

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  Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 21:57 +0000
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