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Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance"

From Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance"
Date 2026-07-30 19:42 +0000
Organization NOYB
Message-ID <114ggfl.fp4.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> (permalink)
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Nick Charles <none@none.none> wrote:
> On Jul 29, 2026 at 5:57:05?PM EDT, "Brock McNuggets"
> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Jul 29, 2026 at 11:15:38?AM MST, ""Joel W. Crump"" wrote
> > <114dg0b$133f6$1@dont-email.me>:
> > 
> >> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-laptop
> >> 
> >> This is just great, an ARM Microsoft-brand laptop, so state-of-the-art,
> >> so cool.  Expensive, admittedly, heh.  Comes with Win11 Home, BTW.  Not
> >> Pro.  I don't get that.  A mini PC from China has a false but yet
> >> workable license for 11 Pro, but this thing is legit so it has Home.
> >> People with money who don't really know computers make a cash cow for
> >> MS, heh.
> > 
> > Both the site and the product seem heavily inspired by Apple. But good...
> > competition benefits us all.
> 
> Because Windows is tanking and Mac is growing.  Thus Microsoft desperately
> wants the few remaining Surface PCs to "look like" Apple. But the problem with
> Windows PCs is - are you sitting down? - WINDOWS.  Not the PC hardware.

  Windows is not "tanking" (yes, I know about the recent reports with
highly suspect OS percentages, like a very high number of 'other'). Yes,
Mac is gaining market share, good on them, but Windows in not "tanking"
in numbers.

  Anyway, don't conflate Windows, Microsoft and Surface. There was a
recent article about people who enjoy Windows for what it offers for
*them*, but who at the same time don't like Microsoft very much (I'm
also in that camp). And about Surface, not in a million years.

> Windows is a Dead End. Linux is also growing.

  Windows is not a Dead End by any stretch of the imagnination. And yes,
Linux is slowly growing, about time and good on 'them'.

>						How long before Dell or Asus or
> HP or Lenovo start selling PCs with Linux installed?

  You tell us! You're not referring to the (in)famous endless no-content
no substance YouTube video, are you!?

  But if and when they do, I would welcome it. Choice is good,
especially for those with little past experience.

>						       Dell has already
> publicly stated that the whole "Copilot PC" thing is a failure. No one is
> interested.

  No disagreement there.

> Meanwhile, Google is going to be selling Android PCs.  How much longer can
> Windows survive?

  You want that in decades? :-)

  FYI, I'm a Unix/UNIX veteran of well over four decades, so don't even
think about it. Free Clue-by-Four: See my headers.

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"Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 14:15 -0400
  Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 21:57 +0000
    Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-07-29 18:05 -0400
      Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-07-30 02:31 +0000
        Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 06:16 -0400
      Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 05:03 +0000
        Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-30 02:55 -0400
          Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 16:49 +0000
            Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 21:59 +0000
              Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 08:37 +0000
        Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 06:18 -0400
          Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 16:50 +0000
        Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-30 12:38 +0100
          Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 16:51 +0000
            Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-30 14:18 -0400
              Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-30 22:50 +0000
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-30 22:10 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-07-31 16:37 +0000
              Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-07-31 08:48 +0000
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-31 15:50 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-08-01 02:20 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-01 04:53 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "....winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2026-08-02 03:05 -0400
      Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2026-07-30 08:37 -0400
        Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 08:44 -0400
        Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-07-30 14:42 +0100
    Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-07-30 03:01 +0000
      Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 05:02 +0000
      Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-30 01:31 -0400
        Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-07-30 20:32 -0400
      Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 09:04 -0400
      Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-30 19:42 +0000
        Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 15:52 -0400
          Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-30 17:16 -0400
            Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 17:46 -0400
            Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-30 17:02 -0500
              Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 19:03 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-30 19:39 -0400
              Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-07-30 19:33 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-07-31 07:21 -0500
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-31 11:16 -0400
              Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-07-31 12:51 +0000
              Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2026-07-31 16:43 +0000
            Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 22:22 +0000
              Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-07-30 18:34 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-07-30 22:37 +0000
      Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-07-30 20:15 -0400
      Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-02 14:43 +0200
        Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-02 13:18 -0400
          Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-02 23:17 +0200
  Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-07-30 11:43 -0400
  Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-05 12:15 -0700
    Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 15:23 -0400
      Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-05 12:26 -0700
        Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 15:40 -0400
          Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-05 12:59 -0700
            Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 16:05 -0400
              Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-05 13:10 -0700
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 16:32 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-06 14:49 -0700
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 18:08 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-06 15:35 -0700
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 18:44 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-06 17:25 -0700
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                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-08 11:58 -0700
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-08 15:35 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-08 13:19 -0700
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-08 17:44 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-08 16:46 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-05 17:22 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 17:27 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-05 14:48 -0700
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 17:56 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-05 18:05 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-05 18:08 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-06 04:47 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-06 14:49 -0700
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 18:04 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-06 15:36 -0700
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-06 18:45 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-07 01:12 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-07 07:31 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-07 11:02 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-08-07 14:03 +0000
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-07 11:34 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-08-07 07:15 +0800
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-10 10:35 +0000
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-10 08:05 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-10 11:32 -0400
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                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-10 20:55 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-11 08:44 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-11 10:30 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-11 10:21 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-08-11 08:43 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-11 15:03 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-08-11 17:00 -0400
                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-11 14:23 -0700
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                Re: "Surface Laptop Enjoy the performance" Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2026-08-11 14:33 -0700
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