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Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order

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AJL wrote:
>>The instant we put any account, let alone a mothership account, on any
>>computing device, our privacy has disappeared from that computing device.
> 
> Perhaps from the device but not from the modern world. So why worry just
>  about the device?

I have to agree with you that if I were hiding from a TLA, they'd have me
whether or not I have my phone set up to be private, but, as you noted, it
wouldn't be the phone that threw me under the bus, but other things.

> My Google AI says: "Information Privacy: The right to control how personal
>  data (like medical records, financial details, and browsing habits) is
>  collected, stored, and shared by organizations or governments."
> 
> Do you control your online medical records? Or online tax records? Where
>  they are stored? Who gets to see them? And even if you owned no computing
>  devices you likely will still have little online privacy according to that
>  definition.

I'm not sure I have any "online tax records" but certainly the fact I pay
property taxes is online and readily available to anyone who looks it up.

I don't have online medical records, that I am aware of, although I'm sure
that the medicare folks have on-line information about me somewhere.

Basically, I never create an account online unless someone holds a gun to
my head.

>>Luckily, all common consumer platforms (other than iOS) actually work
>>*better* without the Mothership Account on that device, which is a bonus.
> 
> Not all. This Chromebook I'm posting with doesn't work without an account.

We have to distinguish between a mothership account and a local account. 
I just looked it up, and you're right. The Chromebook is similar to iOS.

You can use it without a mothership account, but it's not useful w/o it.

Alas, only iOS and the Chrome operating systems are that bad.

> 
>>> Privacy?? Unless you live in a cave your life is already online.
> 
>>That's simply not true. 
>>Only people who don't understand privacy would say what you said.
> 
> Only people who misuse the definition of privacy would say what you said.
>  The last time you called in for a doctors appointment, the secretary while
>  looking at your (stored online) account may have been chuckling at your
>  ongoing constipation problem...  8-O

She was probably feeling sorry for me after reading my medical records.

>>My point is the only people who say you can't have privacy are people who
>>don't understand what privacy is.
> 
> Agreed. People who live in a cave can have privacy. People in the modern
>  online world don't. 

What gets me is people committing crimes with their phones in their
pockets. Who is that dumb. Red iPhones are magnets for criminals.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/a-soldiers-tragic-end-how-a-car-sale-gone-bad-took-hayden-harris-life/4559247/
https://www.njherald.com/story/news/courts/2023/08/04/hayden-harris-case-life-sentences-fort-drum-soldier-killers/70523170007/
https://www.wwnytv.com/2023/08/05/two-will-spend-life-behind-bars-killing-cpl-hayden-harris/

> 
>>>  Go to the
>>>  doctor? Have a credit card? Have a drivers license? Pay taxes to various
>>>  governments? Pension and/or SS deposits? Etc, ect, ect.
>>>  I think that logically you are in much more privacy danger there
>>>  than being picked out of Google's billions of accounts for surveillance.
> 
>>These are not related to the phone.
> 
> Phone?? I thought our OT subject was online privacy. And even if you have no
>  phone, by definition you still have no online privacy, Google or no Google.
>  So Google it to see if I'm not right...  ;)

It's all about not creating that mothership account.

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PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 10:46 -0600
  Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 10:51 -0600
    Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 11:16 -0600
      Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 11:47 -0600
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          Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-01 16:26 -0600
    Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-31 20:29 +0100
      Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 14:19 -0600
        Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 18:36 -0600
          Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 20:25 -0600
            Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 21:28 -0600
              Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Skeptic <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 20:45 +0100
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Ch1ffr3punk <ch1ffr3punk@gmail.com> - 2026-06-01 20:12 +0000
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:39 +0100
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 23:45 +0200
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-01 15:55 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 12:49 +0100
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:50 +0200
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-02 18:45 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:21 +0200
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-03 06:59 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-06-02 16:55 +0000
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-02 20:37 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-06-03 14:56 +0000
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-03 18:08 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:31 +0200
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:58 +0100
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Ch1ffr3punk <ch1ffr3punk@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 09:33 +0000
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 12:55 +0100
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Ch1ffr3punk <ch1ffr3punk@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 11:58 +0000
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-02 06:41 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Ch1ffr3punk <ch1ffr3punk@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 19:28 +0000
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-02 20:53 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-02 20:55 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-01 15:56 -0600
              Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 21:17 +0100
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-01 16:07 -0600
          Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:05 +0200
            Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-01 10:14 -0600

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