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Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order

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On 01/06/2026 22:55, Maria Sophia wrote:
> Jeff Layman wrote:
>>>> Is messing around with Android phones one of your hobbies? Android OS is
>>>> owned by Google but used mostly by people who care about privacy! The
>>>> meaning of privacy must have changed recently.
>>
>> I would guess that most people who use a cellphone have no interest in
>> privacy.
> 
> 
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> I would disagree but I would half agree that 99 out of 100 people don't
> know the first thing about privacy, so, half of those 99 buy Apple devices
> because Apple told them it's more private, even as iOS is not private.
> 
> My point is they care, but they don't know how to obtain any privacy.
> 
> By far, the most important act anyone could do on any computing device, is
> NOT put a mothership account on that device, which is easy for Android.
> 
> Android works better without the Google account than it does with it.

If we only talk about Android phones, at least at the start, with 
probably little knowledge, they buy them on recommendation by the sales 
assistant in the phone shop based on price and (perhaps) what they want 
to use the phone for. Maybe the customer has specific interests such as 
wanting a good camera and screen for viewing.

I'm pretty sure that if they don't have a Google account when they walk 
in, by the time they leave the shop they'll have one with the help of 
the sales assistant! They'll then be shown how to use Google's cloud 
storage and how to backup to it. Location, wifi, and Bluetooth will be 
switched on.

I really doubt that privacy will be mentioned (and the way some people 
talk on their phone with the volume on full so you have no problem 
hearing what they and the other party are saying, means they have no 
interest in spoken privacy either!).

> 
>>> Android, when used with PlugOS [1], is a super awesome privacy device,
>>> when additionally used with AEC [2] = Air Gapped Encrypted Communications
>>> and a little air gapped GPD MicroPC [3] *with Windows 11*, which beats any
>>> online Linux box with outdated GnuPG or OpenPGP, when it comes to first
>>> class secure and anonymous email communications, via the Nym Mixnet [4].
>>>
>>> [1] https://plugos.net/plugmate
>>
>> Recent reviews:
>>
>> <https://uk.pcmag.com/security/165179/i-was-sick-of-android-apps-spying-on-me-so-i-tried-grapheneos-and-plugos>
>>
>> <https://www.clubic.com/actualite-598732-plugos-un-pc-android-dans-une-cle-usb-c-securisee-ne-tombez-pas-dans-le-piege.html>
>> (In French, but translatable with Firefox, or using DeepL or Google
>> Translate)
> 
> Since most USA-spec Samsung devices can't be rooted, GrapheneOS isn't
> available, but I didn't know about PlugOS until it was mentioned above.
>   a. You plug the PlugOS USB-C stick into your phone.
>   b. The phone treats it like an external display + input device.
>   c. PlugOS runs on the stick, not on the phone.
>   d. The phone is basically just a screen + power source	.
> So it doesn't matter that USA Samsung's can't unlock the bootloader.
> 
> PlusOS won't work for my Samsung because the phone must support DisplayPort
> Alt Mode, which mine doesn't support. But PlugOS even works on iOS so it's
> a nice idea for those whose USB port supports it.

If you read those reviews of PlugOS, particularly the second one, you'll 
soon have doubts as to just how private PlugOS is:

"A proprietary system without transparency

The main problem is that PlugOS is completely closed. TrustKernel does 
not communicate the exact model of the processor or the source code of 
the system. The OS would be based on Android, but impossible to check 
what actually runs inside. The security white paper mentions "regular 
audits by independent third-party companies", but does not cite any 
auditor, publishes any reports and does not specify any date."

Note also the sections "Your data quietly stored in China" and "A kick 
to the GDPR".

If it is possible to run GrapheneOS that seems to be a better choice.

-- 
Jeff

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PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 10:46 -0600
  Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 10:51 -0600
    Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 11:16 -0600
      Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 11:47 -0600
        Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 11:52 -0600
          Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-01 16:26 -0600
    Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-05-31 20:29 +0100
      Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 14:19 -0600
        Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 18:36 -0600
          Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 20:25 -0600
            Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-05-31 21:28 -0600
              Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Skeptic <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 20:45 +0100
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Ch1ffr3punk <ch1ffr3punk@gmail.com> - 2026-06-01 20:12 +0000
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 22:39 +0100
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 23:45 +0200
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-01 15:55 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 12:49 +0100
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-02 17:50 +0200
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-02 18:45 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-03 11:21 +0200
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-03 06:59 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-06-02 16:55 +0000
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-02 20:37 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2026-06-03 14:56 +0000
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-03 18:08 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:31 +0200
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-04 08:58 +0100
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Ch1ffr3punk <ch1ffr3punk@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 09:33 +0000
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-02 12:55 +0100
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Ch1ffr3punk <ch1ffr3punk@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 11:58 +0000
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-02 06:41 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Ch1ffr3punk <ch1ffr3punk@gmail.com> - 2026-06-02 19:28 +0000
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-02 20:53 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-02 20:55 -0600
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-01 15:56 -0600
              Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-01 21:17 +0100
                Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-01 16:07 -0600
          Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-01 12:05 +0200
            Re: PSA: Using the PC adb to save a list of all Android apps installed by the user in order Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-06-01 10:14 -0600

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