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Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much

From Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
Newsgroups sci.logic, sci.math, comp.theory, comp.ai.philosophy
Subject Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much
Followup-To sci.logic
Date 2026-01-23 11:13 +0200
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On 22/01/2026 18:40, olcott wrote:
> On 1/22/2026 2:21 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 21/01/2026 17:22, olcott wrote:
>>> On 1/21/2026 3:03 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, it hasn't. In the way theories are usually discussed nothing is
>>>> "ture in arithmetic". Every sentence of a first order theory that
>>>> can be proven in the theory is true in every model theory. Every
>>>> sentence of a theory that cannot be proven in the theory is false
>>>> in some model of the theory.
>>>>
>>>>> only because back then proof theoretic semantics did
>>>>> not exist.
>>>>
>>>> Every interpretation of the theory is a definition of semantics.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Meta‑math relations about numbers don’t exist in PA
>>> because PA only contains arithmetical relations—addition, 
>>> multiplication, ordering, primitive‑recursive predicates
>>> about numbers themselves—while relations that talk about
>>> PA’s own proofs, syntax, or truth conditions live entirely
>>> in the meta‑theory;
>>
>> Methamathematics does not need any other relations between numbers
>> than what PA has. But relations that map other things to numbers
>> can be useful for methamathematical purposes.
>>
>>> so when someone appeals to a Gödel‑style relation like
>>> “n encodes a proof of this very sentence,” they’re
>>> invoking a meta‑mathematical predicate that PA cannot
>>> internalize, which is exactly why your framework draws
>>> a clean boundary between internal proof‑theoretic truth
>>> and external model‑theoretic truth.
>>
>> Anyway, what can be provven that way is true aboout PA. You can deny
>> the proof but you cannot perform what is meta-provably impossible.
> 
> Gödel’s sentence is not “true in arithmetic.”
> It is true only in the meta‑theory, under an
> external interpretation of PA (typically the
> standard model ℕ). Inside PA itself, the sentence
> is not a truth‑bearer at all.

There is no concept of "truth-bearer" in an uninterpreted theory because
there is not concept of "truth". The relevant concept is "sell-formed-
formula" and Gödels sentence is one. It may be true or false in an
interpretation.

Gädel's metatheory contains PA. In Gödel's interpretation PA is
interpreted in the same way as the PA part of the metathoéory.
Gödel proves that G of PA as interpreted in the metatheory is
true but cannot be proven in PA.

-- 
Mikko

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  Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-01-07 13:49 +0200
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            Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 09:52 -0600
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                Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2026-01-10 21:34 -0500
                Computation and Undecidability olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 21:24 -0600
                Re: Computation and Undecidability Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2026-01-10 22:32 -0500
                Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-01-11 07:09 +0000
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                Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-01-12 12:44 +0200
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                Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-14 19:25 -0600
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                Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-14 11:28 -0600
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                Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-14 13:19 -0600
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                Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-01-14 11:04 +0200
                Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-14 13:35 -0600
                Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-01-15 11:21 +0200
                Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-01-15 14:52 +0000
                Re: The Halting Problem asks for too much Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2026-01-16 11:21 +0200
                Computation and Undecidability olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 17:19 -0600
                Re: Computation and Undecidability Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2026-01-10 19:35 -0500
                Re: Computation and Undecidability olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 19:03 -0600
                Re: Computation and Undecidability Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2026-01-10 21:03 -0500
                Re: Computation and Undecidability olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 20:20 -0600
                Re: Computation and Undecidability Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2026-01-10 21:33 -0500
                Re: Computation and Undecidability olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 21:18 -0600
                Re: Computation and Undecidability Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2026-01-10 22:30 -0500
                Re: Computation and Undecidability olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 19:05 -0600
                Re: Computation and Undecidability Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2026-01-10 21:03 -0500
                Re: Computation and Undecidability olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 20:09 -0600
                Re: Computation and Undecidability Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2026-01-10 21:33 -0500
                Re: Computation and Undecidability polcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 20:52 -0600
                Re: Computation and Undecidability Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2026-01-10 22:28 -0500
                Re: Computation and Undecidability olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 21:16 -0600
                Re: Computation and Undecidability Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2026-01-10 22:28 -0500
                Re: Computation and Undecidability olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-10 21:34 -0600
                Re: Computation and Undecidability Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2026-01-11 06:31 -0500
                Re: Computation and Undecidability olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 08:03 -0600
                Re: Computation and Undecidability Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-01-11 14:39 +0000
                Re: Computation and Undecidability Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2026-01-11 12:52 -0500
                Re: Computation and Undecidability olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 12:12 -0600
                Re: Computation and Undecidability Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-01-11 21:28 +0000
                Re: Computation and Undecidability olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-11 15:50 -0600
        Haskell Curry Foundations of Mathematical Logic sense of true in the system olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 09:47 -0600

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