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"there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz

From olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.theory, sci.logic, sci.math, comp.ai.philosophy
Subject "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz
Date 2025-10-23 12:22 -0500
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <10ddo7r$1v6re$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References (22 earlier) <20251022131901.397@kylheku.com> <10dbhc6$tibf$1@dont-email.me> <20251022155918.251@kylheku.com> <10ddfl3$1qu47$1@dont-email.me> <20251023093909.930@kylheku.com>

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On 10/23/2025 11:47 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2025-10-23, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/22/2025 6:01 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>> On 2025-10-22, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/22/2025 3:20 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-10-22, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/22/2025 2:52 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-10-22, André G  Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2025-10-22 12:40, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>>>>>>>> But that entire bundle is one fixed case DD, with a single behavior,
>>>>>>>>> which is a property of DD, which is a finite string.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think part of the problem here is that Olcott doesn't grasp that the
>>>>>>>> "finite string input" DD *must* include as a substring the entire
>>>>>>>> description of HHH.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Furthermore, he doesn't get that it doesn't literally have to be HHH,
>>>>>>> but the same algorithm: a workalike.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The HHH analyzing DD's halting could be in C, while the HHH
>>>>>>> called by DD could be in Python.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DD does call HHH(DD) in recursive simulation
>>>>>> and you try to get away with lying about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm saying that's not a requirement in the halting problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> DD does not have to use that implementation of HHH; it can have
>>>>> its own clean-room implementation and it can be in any language.
>>>>>
>>>>> But nonetheless, yes, there will still be a nested simulation tower.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I made sure to read what you said all the way through
>>>> this time. DD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly
>>>> reach its own final halt state no matter what HHH does.
>>>
>>> The /simulation/ of DD by HHH will not /reproduce/ the halt
>>> state of DD, which DD undeniably /has/.
>>>
>> *Hence the halting problem is wrong*
> 
> The much simpler explanation is that the decider is wrong. 

https://www.liarparadox.org/Simple_but_Wrong.png


>  By being
> wrong, it contributes one point of evidence that confirms the theorem.
> 
>> Turing machine deciders only compute the mapping
>> from their finite string inputs to an accept state
>> or reject state on the basis that this input finite
>> string specifies a semantic or syntactic property.
> 
> I don't understand what you think you're achieving by repeating
> this, but its inclusion does mean that your poting has four
> correct lines, improving its correctness average.
> 
>> The halting problem requires that halt deciders do what
>> no Turing machine decider can do report on the semantic
>> property of non-inputs.
> 
> It positively doesn't. 

HHH(DD) does report on the behavior that its actual
input actually specifies:

On 10/22/2025 3:20 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
 > there will still be a nested simulation tower

The halting problem requires HHH(DD) to report on
something else, QED the halting problem is wrong.

Turing machine deciders only compute the mapping
from their finite string inputs to an accept state
or reject state on the basis that this input finite
string specifies a semantic or syntactic property.

This means that the ultimate measure of the behavior
that a finite string input D specifies is D correctly
simulated by simulating halt decider H.

The halting problem requires that halt deciders do what
no Turing machine decider can do report on the semantic
property of non-inputs.

> Even the diagonal cases that defeat deciders are

skipping over examining the actual underlying details

> all valid inputs: self-contained finite strings denoting machines, which
> perpetrate their trick without referencing anything outside of their own
> description.
> 
> You are just making up nonsense and presenting without a shred of
> rational evidence (which, of course, doesn't exist for a falsehood).
> 


-- 
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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lol. An AI response to Olcott... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-18 13:44 -0700
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    Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-18 20:08 -0500
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            Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-19 23:18 -0500
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                Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-21 14:37 -0700
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                Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-21 16:57 -0700
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                Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-21 20:46 -0700
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                Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... Is Provable Correct "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 12:18 -0700
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            Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 10:04 -0500
              Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 13:07 -0700
    Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-10-19 04:08 +0100
      Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-18 23:19 -0500
        Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2025-10-19 17:05 +0100
          Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-19 11:31 -0500
      Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-18 23:01 -0500
    Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-19 19:39 +0000
      Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 10:28 -0500
        Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-20 18:29 +0000
          Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 15:32 -0500
            Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-20 21:03 +0000
              Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 18:58 -0500
                Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-21 01:27 +0000
                Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 20:33 -0500
                Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-21 02:11 +0000
                Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 22:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 23:05 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 22:13 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 23:16 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 22:25 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 23:29 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-21 03:20 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-20 22:29 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 06:56 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 08:25 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 07:48 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 09:00 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 08:47 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 09:50 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 09:25 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 15:04 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 10:08 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 15:38 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 10:40 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 15:53 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 11:13 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 18:55 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 13:30 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 13:34 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 08:43 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 09:46 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 15:40 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 10:47 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 17:07 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 12:11 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 13:38 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 18:40 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2025-10-22 13:24 -0600
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:30 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:31 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-10-22 20:34 +0100
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 19:52 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 20:20 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:35 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 16:43 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 16:12 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:32 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 17:50 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 23:01 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 09:55 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 --- NST Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 16:47 +0000
                "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 12:22 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 11:50 -0700
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 21:11 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-23 21:33 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 17:14 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 23:41 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-24 07:34 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 02:47 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-24 12:04 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-24 09:54 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-10-25 15:36 +0300
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-25 15:30 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-25 13:34 -0700
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-10-26 14:03 +0200
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 15:39 +0000
                D simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own first line olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 11:40 -0500
                "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 17:08 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 15:21 -0700
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 15:26 -0700
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 18:40 -0400
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 17:48 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 19:09 -0400
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 23:55 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 19:00 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 23:45 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 18:51 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 20:14 -0400
                "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 17:14 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 18:33 -0400
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 23:15 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 18:24 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 20:14 -0400
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 01:22 +0000
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 20:47 -0500
                Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 22:13 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2025-10-23 08:02 +0200
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 09:51 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:55 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 16:24 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 21:55 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 18:54 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 19:27 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:31 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:32 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 19:37 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:45 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:45 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 19:56 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:04 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 22:02 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 17:07 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 23:12 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 19:46 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-23 02:47 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 22:12 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-23 13:09 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:41 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:44 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:45 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:46 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:28 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 19:55 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:01 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 21:56 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 17:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 23:04 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:25 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:29 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-22 19:30 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:43 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:45 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 20:17 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:32 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 14:38 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 13:10 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-22 20:15 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 15:30 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-22 13:36 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 08:35 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 09:36 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 16:33 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 11:49 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 14:23 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 19:04 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 12:19 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 16:01 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:50 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 15:51 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:58 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-10-29 03:16 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 22:26 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 23:34 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 05:45 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-29 07:32 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 13:31 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 16:35 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 12:13 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 18:32 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 13:46 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 19:28 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 15:53 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 21:06 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 16:14 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:31 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 19:37 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 15:57 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-28 21:09 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 16:22 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 21:43 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 16:53 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 22:03 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:08 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 22:18 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:59 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 22:14 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:28 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-28 23:52 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 19:01 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 00:25 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 19:33 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:56 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 17:57 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 02:19 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-28 21:43 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2025-10-28 23:07 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 05:36 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 11:12 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 17:21 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:38 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:16 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-10-29 18:21 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:13 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:13 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-03 14:12 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 10:20 -0600
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-03 17:06 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 11:22 -0600
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-11-03 17:26 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 11:55 -0600
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-11-03 17:57 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-03 20:29 +0000
                Addressing duffer-speak olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 14:46 -0600
                Re: Addressing duffer-speak Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-11-03 20:59 +0000
                Re: Addressing duffer-speak olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 15:03 -0600
                Re: Addressing duffer-speak "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-03 13:00 -0800
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 09:47 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 08:40 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 14:12 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 11:15 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 16:37 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 11:54 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 17:24 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 12:37 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 13:44 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 12:55 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 dbush <dbush.mobile@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:42 -0400
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 joes <noreply@example.org> - 2025-10-29 17:49 +0000
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 13:00 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:15 -0700
                fuck chris dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 14:17 -0700
                Re: fuck chris olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 16:44 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:53 -0500
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:14 -0700
                fuck chris dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 14:16 -0700
                Re: fuck chris "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:40 -0700
                Re: fuck chris dart200 <user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2025-10-29 14:42 -0700
                Re: fuck chris "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 15:22 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:11 -0700
                Re: Never any actual rebuttal to HHH(DD)==0 Since 10/13/2022 "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-10-29 14:29 -0700
  Re: lol. An AI response to Olcott... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-11-14 22:02 -0800

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