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Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)?

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 20:40:05 +0200, s|b wrote :


>> In summary, we're pretty close to making a DIY browser, in both 
>> Mozilla-land and Chromium land, that is distinct from the mothership 
>> browser in terms of inherent privacy as tested against privacy test sites.
> 
> FYI <https://amiunique.org/> is up again.

Thanks you for your persistence as that's the only way to make progress!

I've been testing the DIY privacy browser for, oh, maybe a couple weeks
now, where what I do is turn off all the extensions save for one, and then
I run it through a whole suite of privacy checks with & without extensions.

It takes a lot of time & effort so I needed a way to make it quicker, 
where one way to remove & add extensions is to use the unpacked folders.

Since I'm constantly turning extensions on and off repeatedly, I needed an
extension manager, of which there are many, but we want consistency with
the Chromium-based & Mozilla-based privacy browsers, so I opted for 
Extension Manager by HongYuanCao for Mozilla-based browsers:
 <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/extensions-manager/>
Extension Manager by HongYuanCao for Chromium-based browsers:
 <https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/extension-manager/gjldcdngmdknpinoemndlidpcabkggco>

Other extension managers are more powerful, but being both simple and
consistent between browsers is a huge value in and of itself for EMs.

Back to your point about all these privacy extensions potentially making us
unique, it's OK to be unique - as long as EVERY visit is unique in itself.

Hence, we need to make multiple runs at the https://amiunique.org/ site.
Also, it appears that we may need to wipe out cookies, but luckily the
browser extensions I've added do wipe out the cookies between tabs.

This is needed because the https://amiunique.org/ site says this
just below the purple-hued "See my fingerprint" button.
   "we will collect your browser fingerprint 
    and we will put a cookie on your browser 
    for a period of 4 months."

When I first pressed the "See my fingerprint" button, I was unique at
"All Time"  
"Are you unique ?"  
"Yes!"  
"You are unique among the 4208682 fingerprints in our entire dataset."

Wiping out cookies and switching the VPN IP, doing it again, it says  
"All Time"  
"Are you unique ?" 
"Yes!" 
"You are unique among the 4208709 fingerprints in our entire dataset."

Trying it again an hour later with a different VPN, I'm again unique.  
"All Time"  
"Are you unique ?"  
"Yes!"
"You are unique among the 4208916 fingerprints in our entire dataset."

Hmmm... Andy said he's always unique & he's not running a privacy browser.
What do you think these results are actually telling us about the browser?

Could it be it's unique more than once without changing anything but IP?
Is there a way to get a single number for entropy so I can compare them?

I think I remember https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/ used to give entropy,
(e.g., at 0 bits everyone looks the same, but 20 bits is 1 in a million).

I couldn't get a single entropy number. Just an entropy for each category.
But it does say, near the top for "Protecting you from fingerprinting?"
 "Your browser has a randomized fingerprint"

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