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Re: Is there a de-mozzilla'd FIrefox (similar to degoogled chromium)?

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2025 11:34:57 -0700, Mike Easter wrote :


> We can use our conversation here as an example of something.

It's certainly a noble endeavor, and quite apropos to this newsgroup, to
come up with a DIY to make the most private Mozilla-based web browser.

> First, as a 'basis' of the non-privacy end of things; I don't use a 
> privacy browser at all. I also use an NSP which not only requires reg, 
> it also requires payment annually. OK fine.

While my WISP doesn't require payment, he knows where I live, so he knows
who I am, &, if he maintains logs, he can rat me out to any TLA who asks.

However, few of us require Osama bin Laden style anonymity, where, for the
most part, just calling in a bomb threat to Memorial Hall at Harvard using
a Mozilla-based TOR browser should be enough privacy for the bulk of us.
 <https://www.nbcnews.com/technolog/failing-grade-alleged-harvard-bomb-hoaxer-needed-more-tor-cover-2D11767028>

That guy would have gotten away with it if he only hadn't used Harvard's
own Wi-Fi network (and if he didn't admit that he was the one who did it).
 <https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/tor-harvard-bomb-suspect/>

 a. Eldo Kim, 20, during exam times in December 2013
 b. Used Mozilla-based Tor to anonymize his internet activity
 c. Sent emails via Guerrilla Mail, a disposable email service
 d. Threatening that a bomb was placed in Memorial Hall
 e. Just before his scheduled exam in Memorial Hall 
    (Which, I know well as it has to be the ugliest building on earth.)

How was he caught?
 A. A TLA (i.e., the FBI) traced Tor usage on Harvard's Wi-Fi network
 B. Kim's identity was linked through network logs and exam timing
 C. He confessed to sending the threats (& later graduated from Harvard)

> You instead are using blueworldhosting as your NSP to post here and like 
> most other people including me, do not expose your IP to the 'world' via 
> the NSP nor your name and email.  OK fine.  We aren't that different. 
> Your NSP has excellent retention and no reg.

For obvious & well-known fundamental reasons, I never connect to any nntp
server via my "real" IP address - nor even my "real" system clock or TZone.

> If someone wants to 'uncover' your persona, they would start w/ the IP 
> you connect to blueworldhosting and the 'clarity' of your handwriting 
> which I have observed in your messages for years.

They'd have to go to the VPN admin, where I use a variety of free public no
registration VPN servers around the world - but they DO know my real IP.

> I don't think it would be that hard to uncover you; not that I am any 
> kind of fan of dox/ing, but it could be part of a conversation about 
> privacy that involves who is the/your adversary and who isn't.

I post where I live (Santa Cruz Mountains) all the time, and my carrier
(T-Mobile) and even post my bill ($100/month for 6 devices), etc., so I
would agree that it's not hard to uncover who I am. 

Once my life was threatened on Usenet by a certain "Rod Speed" in a.h.r and
again (less obviously so) by "nospam" in m.p.m.i, which I reported to the
FBI, so the FBI knows who I am and how I post my articles to Usenet.

I even stumbled across abandoned guns used for a murder, unbeknownst to me,
a while ago, so I've been investigated for murder as the RP (being the RP
turns out to be interesting in and of itself in how you're implicated).

> My 'philosophy' is that I don't have adversaries who need to know who I 
> am and so I don't have to go to any trouble for 'severe privacy'.

My adversary is Google. Microsoft. Apple. Meta. Amazon. et al.

But, I'm technically compensated by Amazon (who gives me "free stuff" to
review; so Amazon has my W2 form, which has my SSN, so they got me 'good!
 <https://amazon.com/vine/about>

> To me, the only people who need severe privacy are criminals and those 
> who are actively fighting against an oppressive state actor; that is, if 
> you do dev a strong adversary w/ some kind of power, you have a problem.

Luckily you added "severe privacy", as if you just used the regular privacy
word, that's something *EVERYONE* is entitled to. Basic privacy is a right.

> Typically the people who discuss privacy in such as the privacy groups 
> don't actually *state* why they are so interested to go to so much 
> trouble and inconvenience.  I do NOT believe that people do that just 
> for the fun or challenge of it, but I also do NOT know what other 
> reason/s they could possibly have besides the ones I mention here.

  "Nobody needs to justify why they 'need' a right: the burden of  
  justification falls on the one seeking to infringe upon the right."
        Edward Snowden, Reddit AMA, May 21, 2015
 <https://www.mic.com/articles/119602/in-one-quote-edward-snowden-summed-up-why-our-privacy-is-worth-fighting-for>

Snowden often compares privacy to free speech. Just because you're not
exercising it at the moment doesn't mean it's not essential. Anyone asking
you to justify why you want privacy has to first justify why they feel you
have no right to free speech.

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