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Re: Life on Europa in scifi?

From J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Newsgroups rec.arts.sf.movies, rec.arts.sf.science, rec.arts.sf.written
Subject Re: Life on Europa in scifi?
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Date 2018-04-30 20:48 -0400

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On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 11:29:59 -0700, Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 29 Apr 2018 18:57:24 -0500, Cryptoengineer
><treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>We have limited resources for searching. We do know one type of 
>>environment where life can arise, and its not a rare one. Can you 
>>present an argument for looking elsewhere, and suggest what we 
>>should look for?
>
>     We already know about that one.
>
>     Thinking about how *else* life could arise can help us understand
>our case.  (Just as knowing more than one language helps one
>understand one's own language better.)
>
>     One idea of mine is to look for systems that have chemicals
>converting back and forth.  (As with the oxygen - carbon dioxide cycle
>in Earth's biosphere.)  This is, of course, no guarantee of life, but
>it is a start.

Do you know of a method that will let us tell that "chemicals are
converting back and forth" at interstellar distances?

>     Another is to look at the differences between how life works with
>various organisms on Earth and see what else seems reasonable.  IIRC,
>Earth life has some interesting kludges.  Why are they there?  If the
>kludges were not there, what differences would result?
>
>     I am no expert in the area, and for all I know, these are already
>being done, and those who know more may well be able to suggest other
>ideas.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Gene Wirchenko

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Life on Europa in scifi? "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-04-25 07:29 -0400
  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-25 13:44 +0000
  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 14:34 -0500
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    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-04-25 21:22 -0400
  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Steve Dodds <sdodds@nova-optical.com> - 2018-04-25 16:04 -0600
  Re: Life on Europa in scifi? William Elliot <marsh@panix.com> - 2018-04-25 21:22 -0700
    Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-26 18:27 +1200
      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-26 08:56 -0600
      Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-04-27 05:32 +0000
        Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-27 18:40 +1200
          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 08:04 -0700
            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> - 2018-04-27 09:48 -0700
              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 12:52 -0500
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 11:02 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:11 -0400
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              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 11:01 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-27 11:48 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 12:45 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-27 13:06 -0700
              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 09:37 +1200
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 15:17 -0700
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                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 14:26 +1200
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                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-29 04:01 -0500
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 09:16 -0400
          Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-27 22:05 -0400
            Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 14:28 +1200
              Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 00:50 -0400
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 18:37 +1200
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-28 01:05 -0600
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-28 09:25 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 19:13 +0000
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                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-29 17:04 +1200
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                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-29 19:20 +1200
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-29 01:43 -0600
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-29 10:21 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-04-29 18:11 +0000
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 18:57 -0500
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 20:18 -0400
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-30 14:19 +1200
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-04-30 13:21 +1000
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-30 18:15 +1200
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-04-29 23:17 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-05-01 00:05 +0000
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2018-05-01 15:33 +0000
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                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-04-30 11:29 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 20:48 -0400
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-01 11:10 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 11:18 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-01 15:30 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-02 18:21 +1200
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                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-05-02 07:45 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 19:16 -0400
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                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-03 18:22 +1200
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                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-04 09:03 +1200
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-03 15:17 -0600
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                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> - 2018-05-04 08:42 +1000
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-03 21:09 -0500
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-03 20:49 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-04 18:05 +1200
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-04 22:06 -0500
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2018-05-04 06:09 +0000
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-04 18:39 +1200
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-05-04 15:21 -0700
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-05-05 11:31 +1200
                Re: Life on Europa in scifi? David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-04 18:56 -0600
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