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| From | Paul Colquhoun <newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.movies, rec.arts.sf.science, rec.arts.sf.written |
| Subject | Re: Life on Europa in scifi? |
| Date | 2018-04-29 11:18 +1000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <slrnpea7bi.5f4.newsposter@andor.dropbear.id.au> (permalink) |
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 18:37:50 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
| On 2018-04-28 04:50:15 +0000, J. Clarke said:
|> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 14:28:53 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
|> wrote:
|>> On 2018-04-28 02:05:53 +0000, J. Clarke said:
|>>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 18:40:08 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
|>>> wrote:
|>>>> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
|>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
|>>>>>>
|>>>>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the belief that
|>>>>>> life of any sort /must/ have water, which is moronically silly.
|>>>>>
|>>>>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for complex
|>>>>> molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low energy,
|>>>>> it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows for
|>>>>> condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has
|>>>>> very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...
|>>>>
|>>>> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms are almost
|>>>> certainly completely different.
|>>>
|>>> Unless you are postulating that the laws of physics are different on
|>>> other planets, a notion which you will need to support with something
|>>> beyond opinion, it will be true on any planet.
|>>
|>> Oh, dear, as usual the reading-challenged fools on the internet fixate
|>> on one tiny irrelevant detail rather than the actual point. Believe
|>> whatever crap you want. :-\
|>
|> So to you physics is "crap".
|>
|> <plonk>
|
| If you want to bleieve all possible life in the universe is exactly the
| same as life on Earth (same chemical makeup, same needs and
| requirements, etc.), then you're simply a complete moron.
If you think the 2 options are "exactly the same as life on earth" or
"not based on carbon compounds" you are missing a huge middle ground.
Starting right from the basics, amino acids come in right and left
handed versions. Life on earth uses one, but nobody thinks the other
would not work just as well.
We only use 4 bases in our DNA, but there have been recent experiments
that inserted another 2 in a test organism, so that is another option
for life elsewhere.
Here we use base triplets to encode for each amino acid in a protein,
with quite a bit of redundancy in the coding. There is probably some
chemistry backing the basics of the coding, but using 4-base sequences
is probably possible, just less efficient.
So, the basic chemical makeup will be similar, but the details will
probably vary quite a lot.
As to "needs and requirements", on a simple level, yes they will
be the same (or very similar). Organisms will require food, energy
(maybe from food, maybe from light), shelter. Or did you have something
else in mind?
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, ULC. http://andor.dropbear.id.au/
Asking for technical help in newsgroups? Read this first:
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro
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