Re: Life on Europa in scifi?

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Subject	Re: Life on Europa in scifi?
Date	2018-04-29 17:04 +1200
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On 2018-04-29 01:18:42 +0000, Paul Colquhoun said:

> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 18:37:50 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> | On 2018-04-28 04:50:15 +0000, J. Clarke said:
> |> On Sat, 28 Apr 2018 14:28:53 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
> |> wrote:
> |>> On 2018-04-28 02:05:53 +0000, J. Clarke said:
> |>>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 18:40:08 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
> |>>> wrote:
> |>>>> On 2018-04-27 05:32:22 +0000, Thomas Koenig said:
> |>>>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> schrieb:
> |>>>>>>
> |>>>>>> The real problem is that scientists are blinkered into the belief that
> |>>>>>> life of any sort /must/ have water, which is moronically silly.
> |>>>>>
> |>>>>> Water has a range of qualities that make it suitable for complex
> |>>>>> molecules. There is a lot of it around, it has such low energy,
> |>>>>> it will be found in a reasonably pure state, it allows for
> |>>>>> condensation reactions with polar leaving groups, it has
> |>>>>> very strong hydrogen bonds, it dissolves salts...
> |>>>>
> |>>>> All true, on Earth. Many other planets and other life forms are almost
> |>>>> certainly completely different.
> |>>>
> |>>> Unless you are postulating that the laws of physics are different on
> |>>> other planets, a notion which you will need to support with something
> |>>> beyond opinion, it will be true on any planet.
> |>>
> |>> Oh, dear, as usual the reading-challenged fools on the internet fixate
> |>> on one tiny irrelevant detail rather than the actual point. Believe
> |>> whatever crap you want.  :-\
> |>
> |> So to you physics is "crap".
> |>
> |> <plonk>
> |
> | If you want to bleieve all possible life in the universe is exactly the
> | same as life on Earth (same chemical makeup, same needs and
> | requirements, etc.), then you're simply a complete moron.
> 
> 
> If you think the 2 options are "exactly the same as life on earth" or
> "not based on carbon compounds" you are missing a huge middle ground.
> 
> Starting right from the basics, amino acids come in right and left
> handed versions. Life on earth uses one, but nobody thinks the other
> would not work just as well.
> 
> We only use 4 bases in our DNA, but there have been recent experiments
> that inserted another 2 in a test organism, so that is another option
> for life elsewhere.
> 
> Here we use base triplets to encode for each amino acid in a protein,
> with quite a bit of redundancy in the coding. There is probably some
> chemistry backing the basics of the coding, but using 4-base sequences
> is probably possible, just less efficient.
> 
> So, the basic chemical makeup will be similar, but the details will
> probably vary quite a lot.
> 
> As to "needs and requirements", on a simple level, yes they will
> be the same (or very similar). Organisms will require food, energy
> (maybe from food, maybe from light), shelter. Or did you have something
> else in mind?

It's amaziong how many people have a complete and utter lack of reading 
comprehension ability.  :-(

As I said all along: extraterrestrial life does not necessarily have to 
need water. Looking for life *only* where water occurs is blinkered 
stupidity.

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Life on Europa in scifi? "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOCKail.com> - 2018-04-25 07:29 -0400
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